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11-08-2011 , 12:11 PM

sinnaJ

old hand

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,458

Villain just sat down
given his 3bet sizing i'm asuming hes a fish
anyone folding?

[hand_history]Party, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10994142

BB: $53.02 (106 bb)
Hero (MP): $53.25 (106.5 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)
SB: $49.50 (99 bb)
BTN: $29.96 (59.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T

CO posts BB OOP, Hero raises to $2, CO calls $1.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $3.50, BB folds, Hero calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($11) 7

(3 players)
SB bets $10.45, Hero calls $10.45, CO folds

Turn: ($31.90) J

(2 players)
SB bets $30.31, Hero raises to $39.30 and is all-in, SB calls $5.24 and is all-in

River: ($103.00) 4

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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11-08-2011 , 12:13 PM

krooto

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 426

easy fold pre vs unknown

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11-08-2011 , 12:17 PM

HU4hoes

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,026

yes fold pre
and turn is an easy fold as well
this is very spewy

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11-08-2011 , 12:32 PM

moddad

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 175

Fold pre, fold turn. Stacking off with top pair crap kicker wont be profitable in the long run, not even against fishes.

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11-08-2011 , 12:46 PM

sinnaJ

old hand

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,458

folding pre seems a little nitty to me given the odds
you all realize on the turn i need to be good around 1/3 of the time here for this call to be +ev?
a stronger king is very unlikely an there are alot of draws.
But i spew alot vs fishes so i this might be a fold

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11-08-2011 , 01:01 PM

Onyx

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,525

You have to call pre ip due to the odds, but look at the spot it leaves you in.
If you weren't impressed by the 3-bet sizing, his bets get serious post flop, I'm not liking our hand the minute he pots the flop.
Flop call isn't terrible having hit tp, but when he pots again on turn I wouldn't be able to dump the hand quickly enough, to continue is way over-valuing the hand imo.

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11-08-2011 , 01:06 PM

Cash Beast Ezra

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,279

lol @ folding pre

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11-08-2011 , 01:14 PM

6stacksdeep

stranger

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 9

never calling the turn bet, dunno about pre as we're getting a good price but we are basically only looking to hit a T/straight draw pretty much. you're getting horrible RIO even if IP and for a good price.

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11-08-2011 , 01:53 PM

ForeverLearning

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,006

Probably a fold on the turn readless but I don't hate a call.. actually I have no idea but I would fold in game.

There's just not many hands that beat you and he can certainly have AQ,AT, hearts, spades or even a pure bluff as unlikely as that is.

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11-08-2011 , 02:05 PM

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verneer

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,971

I fold the turn. I also don't think opening KTo for 4BB's from MP is a winning play at most tables.

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11-08-2011 , 02:05 PM

#11

ionutd

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13,624

fold flop

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11-08-2011 , 04:07 PM

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iluv68

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 198

In general I see this common hand reading mistake:

The board is wet, and we don't have the draw. Since we don't have the draw and our opponent is betting strongly we assume too often (include in villain's range) they are just playing the draw super aggressively. In reality, they are much more likely to protect a hand on wet boards than play a draw super aggressively

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11-08-2011 , 06:22 PM

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Cash Beast Ezra

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,279

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Originally Posted by verneer

I fold the turn. I also don't think opening KTo for 4BB's from MP is a winning play at most tables.

CO posted, which explains the pre flop sizing (not sure if you noticed).

You can certainly make an argument for folding this hand from the HJ, but I think it's an ok open with a whale in the blinds.

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11-08-2011 , 07:04 PM

#14

huge_fish

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 60

I think i would never call villain's bet at flop, i don't think there are kings that hero beats in villain's range.
The problem with calling this bet at flop is that 99% i will have to fold turn, except if it turns a K.
But anyway a K can be a disaster if villain has KK, AK, KQ ,KJ, JJ.

So given that i would never call a villain's 2nd barrel and that there are almost no cards that can improve this hand, i would give it up at the flop.

Call pre is ok. KT is a good hand to play against fishes if you know that CO will not reraise.

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