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NL50: QQ OOP in 3 bet pot Vs villian that rarely folds to 3 bets NL50: QQ OOP in 3 bet pot Vs villian that rarely folds to 3 bets

01-12-2010 , 08:38 PM
Villian is playing 23/12/31 over 70 hands & calls 3 bets 67% of the time.


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $76.45
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $67.20
MP: $10.75
CO: $57.95
BTN: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, CO calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.25) 3 8 K (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO calls $7

Turn: ($25.25) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($25.25) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $21.50, Hero folds
NL50: QQ OOP in 3 bet pot Vs villian that rarely folds to 3 bets Quote
01-12-2010 , 08:44 PM
What else can ya do?
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01-12-2010 , 08:46 PM
I think betting flop is pretty marginal. I like a c/c more.

Turn is obv very bad for us. Fine check.

River is fine imo.


Villain calls us a lot, but doesn't have a big PFR to begin with. His range is covers A's and K's quite a lot. Maybe a few PP's but he'd probably check those behind on the river. On the turn we have to assume we're behind.
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01-12-2010 , 08:50 PM
Well played.
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01-12-2010 , 08:51 PM
why is he shoving and not betting 4 value with say an A or K in his hand.your hand is pretty face -up.shoves like these don't make sense 2 me.
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01-12-2010 , 08:57 PM
4 get the previous post..didn't c the pot size bet on river..thought it was an overshove.
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01-12-2010 , 09:01 PM
Personally I think the ace is the perfect card to bet again. I am surprised he did not raise on turn after your sign of weakness. For me b/f on turn is the right play as he showed by his hesitation. After this action completed c/f on river was definitely the right play. Nothing else you could do.
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01-12-2010 , 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenny-T
I think betting flop is pretty marginal. I like a c/c more.
Why?

edit: what is villain's call cbet in 3bet pot %?
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01-12-2010 , 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenny-T
I think betting flop is pretty marginal. I like a c/c more.

Is checking the flop not giving him complete control of the hand? Surely I can still bet for value here given the frequency that he calls 3 bets, 99, 10 10, JJ any flush draw & possible floats are all possible here!
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01-12-2010 , 09:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gdez
Is checking the flop not giving him complete control of the hand? Surely I can still bet for value here given the frequency that he calls 3 bets, 99, 10 10, JJ any flush draw & possible floats are all possible here!
no, check to get value from AQ,AJ, JJ TT 99 on later streets & to potcontrol.

look at his HR of hands he wont fold to a single bet: ( Flushdraws: JhTh Th9h 6h5h, TP: KQ,KJs, PP JJ-99, AQ, AJ)


Flushdraws: 3 combinations
AQ: 8 combinations
AJ:16 combinations
PP: 18 combinations

TP: 9 combinations
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you beat 45 out of 52 combinations, his average outs are 3. so theres not that much need to protect. as you dont want to play bet bet/check check/fold but instead want to get to showdown cheaply id check bet c/c (i'd c/c an A on the turn and c/f river). betting flop&checking turn induces far more floats than checking flop&betting turn imo. furthermore you should get 1 street of value from AQ,AJ but by checking flop&betting turn your equity is even better against AQ,AJ compared to the flop
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01-13-2010 , 05:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gdez
Is checking the flop not giving him complete control of the hand? Surely I can still bet for value here given the frequency that he calls 3 bets, 99, 10 10, JJ any flush draw & possible floats are all possible here!
You can get value from some hands, but I think you can get value from more hands by c/c-ing.

The way you described this guy, I think he would shove a lot of flush draws(probably NFD in 3b pot), which would leave us in a very tough spot. Obv he could shove any K as well.

By c/c-ing, I think we can control the pot size a little(if he checks behind), and call pretty profitably when he bets, because his range is so much wider than just K's for betting.


Anyway, I thought this was a pretty interesting hand, anyone else got other thoughts on the flop?
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01-13-2010 , 05:28 AM
tough spot, he could be bluffing a missed FD or value betting an A or K he checked behind on the turn, understanding now that he's ahead, since you didn't bet turn.

Would fold too...

Like the flop c/c suggestion.
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01-13-2010 , 05:34 AM
I'd 3bet a little larger. $6.50 or even 7 is good
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01-13-2010 , 06:46 AM
dont like the hand.

villain calls the c-bet with his whole range to see what you do on the turn, once you check the turn and the river, he knows you never have an ace and just bets river to get you to fold.
he delayed floated you, it was perfectly played by villain and not so good played by hero.

fire turn next time.
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01-13-2010 , 07:08 AM
played pretty well. id bet like 5 on the river betting that this guy wont bluff raise it and that he will snap call it with an 8 or better. but barring that just c/f unless hes suppper floaty. and its important that the flop has no gutterballs for him to have floated and be bluffing river.
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