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01-16-2010 , 02:34 PM

black jack

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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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CO ($25.50)
Button ($50)
SB ($121.15)
BB ($52.10)
UTG ($50.75)
Hero (UTG+1) ($50)
MP1 ($50) 35 hands 17/11/na
MP2 ($50.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A

, A

1 fold, Hero bets $2, MP1 calls $2, 4 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) 2

, 10

, 7

(3 players)
BB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50, MP1 raises $48 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ?

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01-16-2010 , 02:53 PM

strategywhat

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Reads on BB help too, if villain is a reg or seems at least fairly solid I'm folding. I know it's hard in 35 hands, but any read you could of picked up on villain's play could help here.

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01-16-2010 , 04:05 PM

SammyG-SD

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I get it in here against an unkown. JJ/QQ can be here, plus some semibluffs or overplaying TPGK...I wouldn't expect to be ahead here all the time, but enough.

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01-16-2010 , 04:21 PM

markdirt

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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

I get it in here against an unkown. JJ/QQ can be here, plus some semibluffs or overplaying TPGK...I wouldn't expect to be ahead here all the time, but enough.

It seems to be an unknown who flats QQ/JJ pf probably wouldn't ship the flop with the small overpair against a bettor and a caller. I guess this is AT or a fd sometimes, but it's much more likely he flatted with a medium pp, hit a set, and shipped flop since two players were involved and the pot was getting big.

Although we don't have a significant sample, I'd like calling if he was running 26/19 or something dumb like that.

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01-16-2010 , 06:28 PM

The8bit

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I think the most common hands that are gonna make this kinda move are 89c or KQc and maybe JJ/QQ

I don't think a solid reg is going to spaz shove $40 into a ~$15 pot here with a set ever.

Against this range I think its a puke call

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01-16-2010 , 07:11 PM

steve1127

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Originally Posted by The8bit

Ditto. Also maybe like J9c. Or 8c7x.

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01-16-2010 , 07:38 PM

black jack

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My guess was he's on a FD, but he really had a set, on the turn I got lucky.
So I don't really like my call.

Hero calls $43.50 (All-In)

Turn: ($106.75) A

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($106.75) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $106.75

Results:
Hero had A

, A

(three of a kind, Aces).
MP1 had 7

, 7

(three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $103.75

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01-16-2010 , 07:50 PM

DoctorFarha

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i usually call. it does help too that you ahve backdoor nut flush.

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01-16-2010 , 09:33 PM

DonkDonkDonkDonk

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You can love your call even if villain had you beat, because you were ahead of his range.

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01-16-2010 , 10:33 PM

#10

kb coolman

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Originally Posted by The8bit

I think the most common hands that are gonna make this kinda move are 89c or KQc and maybe JJ/QQ

I don't think a solid reg is going to spaz shove $40 into a ~$15 pot here with a set ever.

Against this range I think its a puke call

+1, but I can also throw out the OE+FD with 89c. I don't see a nuclear draw making this move when he has >50% equity three way. Raising pot would have me a lot more concerned.

I'm getting it in here every time.

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01-16-2010 , 10:39 PM

#11

markdirt

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21% AA
79% TT, 77, 22, KcQc, 9c8c

57% AA
42% QQ-TT, 77, 22, KcQc, 9c8c

The real question is whether or not QQ/JJ are in his range. I just seriously, seriously doubt a player that's flatting those hands pf is going totally nuts against two players on the flop.

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01-16-2010 , 11:29 PM

#12

steve1127

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Originally Posted by markdirt

I don't like your ranges. Why not KcJc? Why not Jc9c? Why not 8c7c? Why not QcJc? No way are we 21%.

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01-17-2010 , 03:55 AM

#13

CbetIT

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I would find a fold here. he most likely has 2 pair or a set and is scared of the flush draw.

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01-17-2010 , 04:29 AM

#14

DiggertheDog

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Engage.

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01-17-2010 , 11:36 AM

#15

Chink

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Originally Posted by black jack

My guess was he's on a FD, but he really had a set, on the turn I got lucky.
So I don't really like my call.

Hero calls $43.50 (All-In)

Turn: ($106.75) A

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($106.75) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $106.75

Results:
Hero had A

, A

(three of a kind, Aces).
MP1 had 7

, 7

(three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $103.75

Thats just poker. Dont mind getting it in here. At the very least you had the nut backdoor flush

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01-17-2010 , 12:36 PM

#16

remedys

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raise flop.......... super drawy and someone donked out
and then u can ffold to a shove.. i guess

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01-17-2010 , 01:48 PM

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markdirt

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Originally Posted by steve1127

I don't like your ranges. Why not KcJc? Why not Jc9c? Why not 8c7c? Why not QcJc? No way are we 21%.

Oops, I was confused about his stats. However, all these suited clubs seem really bad to call with pf and I *personally* heavily weight his range toward pps.

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01-17-2010 , 06:03 PM

#18

WantToLearn

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This is a spot where in theory I feel like I am oblieged to call, while my playing experience suggests a fold.

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