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11-24-2013 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks
Someone raising this many flops is going to have a LOT of air. So while it is tempting to 3b for the reasons you mentioned, I think he has enough air and will try to rep scary cards often enough that I flat with the intention of calling down on any runout (Jamming river if no club/4 straight appears obv).
this, i expect most of you guys to just 3bet because lol top set drawy board, but I do think calling is better.

edit: wow, some replies in here are scary bad
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11-24-2013 , 02:48 PM
whats the plan when we flat and its a big brick turn and he leads into us?
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11-24-2013 , 02:50 PM
we call, and then we call (unless river is a big brick as well in which case we obv shove)
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11-24-2013 , 04:45 PM
villain doesn't have air on this board, stop being silly
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11-24-2013 , 05:22 PM
define air. He certainly has as weak as some gutshots
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11-24-2013 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
define air. He certainly has as weak as some gutshots
yeah 67s, JK and KQ are the semi bluffs he raise/folds that is only 28 combo's, no where near enough to justify calling being the best line.
i mean i suppose you could add some spazzy bottom pairs 89s, J9s in his range but it's just very rare. if he can have them in his range then yeah calling becomes alot better and prob the best line

all his other semi bluffs FD's,JQ/J8s/78s will never fold
and not stacking his 2 pair/sets is a big mistake as a lot of run out's can kill villains (even our) equity when he will be very keen to get them in on flop/turn
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11-25-2013 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
define air. He certainly has as weak as some gutshots
Whats our play on clubs, K, Q, J if he barrels?
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11-25-2013 , 03:57 AM
Call call. I also don't think he automatically stacks off 2pairs if we 3bet, and on top of that I think he can have more weak hands than just 67s and KQ.
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11-25-2013 , 12:49 PM
indeed, those are some very wet nuts

quite slippery

get a towel and wipe those nasty things off. raise huge
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11-26-2013 , 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
this, i expect most of you guys to just 3bet because lol top set drawy board, but I do think calling is better.

edit: wow, some replies in here are scary bad
Someone that is this aggressive isn't necessarily going to shut down with his 'air' when we 3bet the flop providing we have shown capability of playing back before.

If we just flat with AA here and turn comes a brick then villain may decide to shut down anyway OOP with a hand like 67, KJ, weak FD's. But if he does bet again though, then what? Raising looks far too strong now so we really have to call again. And unless river is another brick we can only call river.

We have lots of hands we can just flat the flop raise with to let villain continue bluffing with that we don't need to include the strongest of our range into that.
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11-26-2013 , 06:31 AM
I disagree with almost all of your assumptions. I think 3betting the flop looks extremely strong and I think he never plays back against it with air. He will call with his draws and hope for the best, and then play perfectly. Probably folding 2pairs that aren't AT. I think hes much more likely to spazz out vs a call than a 3bet. And no, we dont have lots of hands that we are happy to call down if he keeps on bluffing. I don't know about you, but i certainly dont feel fine calling down ax, even low 2pairs i might fold. I'll also call a lot of my draws vs a flop raise, which will also have to fold at some point. It's only natural that you all want to get the money in asap, it hurts me just as much as it hurts you when turn is a Kc, but this is an irrarional fear. Logically I don't see how 3betting is close to calling.
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11-26-2013 , 07:59 AM
I agree with imfromsweden. Most of the time on this board, with these stacks, I would also b/3b because we can get it in with his sets/two pairs and it ends up being the 'easier' line to take. Helps us avoid any tough turn or river decisions if the money goes in now.

That being said, I do think calling is best vs this particular reg who sounds very post-flop spewy. If I'm calling flop, then I'm calling turn and river barrels almost regardless of run out, because I assume someone as described would bluff the likely scare cards. Also I'm assuming that we have enough QJ/fd's b/c his raise on flop that he can't exploit us by shoving when these draws get there anyhow.
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11-26-2013 , 02:09 PM
Curious then if we don't b/3b this hand, what hand do we b/3b with? With the stack sizes as they are I think we do need a b/3b range. 100bb deep and we might not need one if opponent is this aggro but we definitely need one when this deep.

edit: I want to write a longer reply about this but can't right now. Will try to remember later.
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11-26-2013 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
Curious then if we don't b/3b this hand, what hand do we b/3b with? With the stack sizes as they are I think we do need a b/3b range. 100bb deep and we might not need one if opponent is this aggro but we definitely need one when this deep.

edit: I want to write a longer reply about this but can't right now. Will try to remember later.

I would b/3b 8x or 9x on this board, blocking the range he's trying hard to rep.
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11-26-2013 , 04:33 PM
I would do it very seldom, but if I did it would be exploitively with a few bluffs like 8x or 9x or draws that I feel are too weak to call, so almost never for value. I just think that's the best way to exploit how people play at the moment, but if I had tons and tons of dynamic with someone I can obviously see how that strategy would be different hehe.
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11-26-2013 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Griffey24
I would b/3b 8x or 9x on this board, blocking the range he's trying hard to rep.
Sorry I obv meant 9x or Tx and I corrupted imfromsweden's post too
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11-26-2013 , 07:39 PM
oh, lol..
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