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NL25z: Do you ever call it off here without the spade blocker? NL25z: Do you ever call it off here without the spade blocker?

09-21-2021 , 12:24 PM
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 155.2 BB
Hero (SB): 124.04 BB
BB: 198.84 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 113.6 BB
CO: 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, MP calls 10 BB

Flop: (27 BB, 2 players) K 2 7
Hero bets 8 BB, MP calls 8 BB

Turn: (43 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, MP bets 20.52 BB, Hero calls 20.52 BB

River: (84.04 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, MP bets 72.08 BB and is all-in


If I were in villain's shoes I would gush at shoving it in here with a spade that floated.

Villain doesn't have much AK and we double block KQ, so villain is really concentrated to bluffs and made flushes.

Would obv be nice to have a spade in hand. Am I just a fish considering this?
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09-21-2021 , 12:38 PM
At equillibrium I doubt this combo ever plays a b/c/c line. If you're worrying about villain repping too polar range OTR you gotta remember he prob has to be somewhat creative to come up w enough bluffs here. The only available natural bluff he should have here is AQo with a spade which you also double-block (even that hand is prob marginal pre considering the rake structure and your 3bet size, I don't know what 25nlz ranges look like). Also AKo should in theory be a high freq call pre in these pos. (again, maybe more 4bet considering rake and your 3bet size). So he can have a bunch of flushes, boats and trips, and would prob need to turn a bunch of PPs and 7x into bluffs to be balanced. So I don't think your hand would be a good call in practice vs most players.
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09-21-2021 , 01:10 PM
Just fold turn. That turn bet is way more nutted than it should be.

You also need to remember this is a tight range spot. He doesn't have many offsuit combos so he would have to turn some pocket pairs without a spade into bluffs.
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09-21-2021 , 01:15 PM
I'd check the flop. Equity and nutted hands are similar for both OOP and IP on monotone boards because of flushes. Not sure about flop bet size, but I would bet half pot since our betting range is more polarized

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09-21-2021 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Renekton
I'd check the flop. Equity and nutted hands are similar for both OOP and IP on monotone boards because of flushes. Not sure about flop bet size, but I would bet half pot since our betting range is more polarized

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K high boards are high frequency cbets still though.
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09-21-2021 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
K high boards are high frequency cbets still though.
Yeah one of the spots oop to bet range. Or maybe not range in theory but close enough, makes it more simple to play.

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Just fold turn. That turn bet is way more nutted than it should be.

You also need to remember this is a tight range spot. He doesn't have many offsuit combos so he would have to turn some pocket pairs without a spade into bluffs.
tbh I was never even considering folding turn. Good point about lack of offsuit combos, I misranged this spot for sure.


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At equillibrium I doubt this combo ever plays a b/c/c line. If you're worrying about villain repping too polar range OTR you gotta remember he prob has to be somewhat creative to come up w enough bluffs here. The only available natural bluff he should have here is AQo with a spade which you also double-block (even that hand is prob marginal pre considering the rake structure and your 3bet size, I don't know what 25nlz ranges look like). Also AKo should in theory be a high freq call pre in these pos. (again, maybe more 4bet considering rake and your 3bet size). So he can have a bunch of flushes, boats and trips, and would prob need to turn a bunch of PPs and 7x into bluffs to be balanced. So I don't think your hand would be a good call in practice vs most players.
Good points. though I think that AK most likely 4-bets and AQo is defs always a flat pre.
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09-21-2021 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by YARR123
I think that AK most likely 4-bets and AQo is defs always a flat pre.
Well, if AQo is not mixing folds in these positions with this 3bet size and rake structure, then it should def be mixing between call and 4bet, and prob mostly 4bet.
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09-21-2021 , 09:42 PM
i would get out the 10% range cbet, hopefully not misapplied here.

having done that ^ i would consider calling down but i think we're just very selective with our bluff catchers, as played, in these positions vs this line.
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09-22-2021 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Regulational
At equillibrium I doubt this combo ever plays a b/c/c line. If you're worrying about villain repping too polar range OTR you gotta remember he prob has to be somewhat creative to come up w enough bluffs here. The only available natural bluff he should have here is AQo with a spade which you also double-block (even that hand is prob marginal pre considering the rake structure and your 3bet size, I don't know what 25nlz ranges look like). Also AKo should in theory be a high freq call pre in these pos. (again, maybe more 4bet considering rake and your 3bet size). So he can have a bunch of flushes, boats and trips, and would prob need to turn a bunch of PPs and 7x into bluffs to be balanced. So I don't think your hand would be a good call in practice vs most players.
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Originally Posted by YARR123




Good points. though I think that AK most likely 4-bets and AQo is defs always a flat pre.
Do you know this to be true or are you projecting your own strat on the pool? Always flatting AQo here is not great.
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