Villain is playing really Loose Passive and is playing a lot preflop that is why I call his UTG raise, I feel on flop I am good

Do we c/r with TPGK or is that asking for trouble?

I feel like C/C is a crappy line to take because I often give the villain a chance to catch up


$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($9.44)
MP2 ($5.89)
CO ($11.25)
BTN ($25.89)
SB ($38.90)
HERO ($48.03)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) HERO is BB J Q
UTG raises to $0.85, 6 folds, HERO calls $0.60

Flop: 8 3 J ($1.80, 2 players)
HERO checks, UTG bets $1.25,

fold pre. or maybe 3bet.

fair enough but how about thoughts to the actual question

well, if he is loose passive, start bettings. loose passives call to often with weak hands, so bettings is how you makes teh monies.

then again if he is loose passive, and he actually makes a raise pf, from UTG, then that might mean alot of strength. so i fold.

I fold pre. As played I c/c. To me it seems raising only folds out worse hands, and never folds out a better one.

I don't know what you wanted to flop when you called pre but this looks good. He doesn't always have AA KK QQ AQ here - he has AK alot JJ 1010 too, all of which will take a stab. If the turn is a J i'd likely go for the C/R and if he checks behind on the turn I'd 3/4 pot non-10 rivers and sometimes overbet A and J rivers.

i'm taking WA/WB line here. if he is loose/passive postflop, then you'll know on the turn if he barrels again. or considering donking a blank, but again that's if you have a good idea how to play river if he calls it.

what?? if he is loose passive wouldnt his raising range beat QJo? Prob help if you posted stats on this player.

Im probably never calling/3betting QJo vs this player type. As played c/r is really bad imo, hes never folding QQ+ and prob not even folding any J and sometimes your just gonna value town yourself here pretty bad. C/c unless he bombs all streets.

Unless villain is aggro, I'm folding QJo oop to an UTG raise everytime. You're crushed by a tight UTG's range.

The recommendation to 3bet this is a bad idea imo.

I think the point is to not make preflop calls like this in the first place and avoid the situation that you've now found yourself in. Your preflop action has put you in a spot where there is no attractive option. If you actively avoid situations like this then it makes your original question irrelevent.

hopefully it's okay that i take a different view on this comment: we can't really play to avoid uncomfortable positions, as we will undoubtedly run into them regardless of preflop play. but rather consider making preflop decisions based on postflop value possibilities. reads on villain and how to play postflop dictate our preflop decisions.

if you are uncertain about your hand range reads, villain postflop play tendencies, and such elements of the game, it is best to fold QJo in this situation as our decision making process is not developed enough to play it profitably.

Ok I'll try to rephrase that....

It should not be our aim to avoid difficult situations, although some consideration has to be given to how comfortable you will be in a potential trouble spot, and newer players that are low on post-flop confidence could be better off avoiding these while learning the fundamentals.

This particular situation however I wouldn't class as a difficult situation, I'd class it as a -EV situation because virtually every line you take here will end up with you either losing to a better hand, or getting a worse hand to fold, all the time having little chance of improvement on our hand.

This is what I mean when I say we should avoid these spots in the first place.... better?

this is why you fold preflop, this hand is impossible to play OOP and overall has terrible implied odds

Again I understand the fold preflop, but now that you are in this situation its not impossible to play you have to make a decision

Check-fold flop.