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11-03-2009 , 12:57 PM

TheyCallMeDonk

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VIllain is 23/13/2 over 40 hands. No 3betting history.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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Hero (BTN): $38.20
SB: $25.60
BB: $22.15
CO: $40.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A

1 fold, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $3.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $11, SB calls $7.90

Flop: ($22.25) 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $27.20 all in

Or do I take a freecard?

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11-03-2009 , 01:00 PM

aggo

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hell no

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11-03-2009 , 01:04 PM

kidacao

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no need to 4bet so big, $7.50 or $8 will do it.

im checking that flop

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11-03-2009 , 01:09 PM

TheyCallMeDonk

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are you 4bet- folding?

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11-03-2009 , 01:11 PM

aggo

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wrong question again

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11-03-2009 , 01:12 PM

Ksight3

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Holy-Mother-of-God-4-bet

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11-03-2009 , 01:18 PM

AceLosesKing

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Correct 4b size here?

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11-03-2009 , 01:22 PM

aggo

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Originally Posted by AceLosesKing

Correct 4b size here?

why do you all want to 4bet?

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11-03-2009 , 01:23 PM

NoSurprises

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Originally Posted by AceLosesKing

Correct 4b size here?

I tend to 4bet slightly smaller than that. Just a few blinds more than double the 3bet. Around $7.50 - $8 in this instance.

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11-03-2009 , 01:23 PM

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Ksight3

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Eh at 25NL I'd 4-bet

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11-03-2009 , 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksight3

Eh at 25NL I'd 4-bet

i'd fold tbh

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11-03-2009 , 01:37 PM

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nutstoyou

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I think when villain 3-bets pre-flop it is either fold or shove. When you have AK you want to see all five cards. As played, hero has put in about 43% of his effective stack (which is $25.60) and doens't know what to do on the flop. He is going to miss the flop 2 out of 3 times. If he goes to the river he has a 50% chance of pairing so he wants to play all the way to the river.

Even if hero had only 4-bet to $7.50 he is still putting in about 30% of his effective stack.

IMO folding against some villains after the 3-bet is not absolutely terrible with AKo, but if you want to keep playing you need to shove.

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11-03-2009 , 01:39 PM

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Ksight3

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Originally Posted by nutstoyou

I think when villain 3-bets pre-flop it is either fold or shove. When you have AK you want to see all five cards. As played, hero has put in about 43% of his effective stack (which is $25.60) and doesns't know what to do on the flop. He is going to miss the flop 2 out of 3 times. If he goes to the river he has a 50% chance of pairing so he wants to play all the way to the river.

Even if hero had only 4-bet to $7.50 he is still putting in about 30% of his effective stack.

IMO folding against some villains after the 3-bet is not absolutely terrible with AKo, but if you want to keep playing you need to shove.

What

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11-03-2009 , 01:40 PM

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djoyce003

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Originally Posted by aggo

i'd fold tbh

folding here is terribad. Hero raised on the button. SB is likely reraising with a HUGE range putting hero on a steal. You have to 4bet here because you don't want him 3betting you light, and you have a real hand here. You likely have villain dominated. I fourbet this all day long.

I button steal a lot and I see 3bets against me all the time with 67s, J9s, KJo, AXo, etc.

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11-03-2009 , 01:40 PM

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Pitbullo

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Originally Posted by nutstoyou

So you are shoving, QQ+ here also to a 3bet?
To shove always takes away the opportunity to 4bet bluff

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11-03-2009 , 01:42 PM

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BlackDespair

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wtf at folding preflop????

wrong 4 bet size. 8 is good.

but as played shoving this flop is fine imo.

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11-03-2009 , 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackDespair

wtf at folding preflop????

wrong 4 bet size. 7 is good.

but as played shoving this flop is dumb imo.

FYP

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11-03-2009 , 01:47 PM

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nutstoyou

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Originally Posted by Pitbullo

So you are shoving, QQ+ here also to a 3bet?
To shove always takes away the opportunity to 4bet bluff

I don't like turning AKo into a bluff.

QQ against this guy I probably call the $3.10 and see what the flop brings, but I'm open to other suggestions.

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