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04-28-2024 , 04:06 PM
Hello, i need your advise

Against players who tend to fold to flop raises a lot like lets say 50%+ of time, what would be best exploit line against them? i know it all depends on board textures and all but lets say a general strategy which will apply to most of the boards

Scenario:

Villain bets flop

What amount should hero raise to make villain fold efficiently? or if Villain calls, what size of turn cbet should hero fire after that?
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04-28-2024 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Hello, i need your advise

Against players who tend to fold to flop raises a lot like lets say 50%+ of time, what would be best exploit line against them? i know it all depends on board textures and all but lets say a general strategy which will apply to most of the boards

Scenario:

Villain bets flop

What amount should hero raise to make villain fold efficiently? or if Villain calls, what size of turn cbet should hero fire after that?
There is none. It depends on board texture, position, player and your cards.

If you don't take that in consideration it's just fancy play and your bankroll wil be empty at the end.
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04-28-2024 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PappePoker
There is none. It depends on board texture, position, player and your cards.

If you don't take that in consideration it's just fancy play and your bankroll wil be empty at the end.
Ok, so as our cards we need some equity to start with right? Lets say we got gutshot draw is that enough? We know player is folding 50% of time on raises, should we raise big or min-raise + fire a big cbet? I’m more interested in which line and sizings will give optimal results in general
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04-28-2024 , 11:09 PM
This is kind of a 'how does a solver exploit' question and so you're going to need to understand the basics of game theory, indifference and MDF to map these things out.

Could buy gto+ (like 3BIs?) to start playing with solves and maybe a book like Play Optimal Poker to get a basic understanding of what's going on. You're on the right lines in that eventually you can craft a strategy that exploits villain's imbalances in a simplified way but it's going to be very different for every spot and the more we generalise the less effective our strategy will be.
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04-29-2024 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
This is kind of a 'how does a solver exploit' question and so you're going to need to understand the basics of game theory, indifference and MDF to map these things out.

Could buy gto+ (like 3BIs?) to start playing with solves and maybe a book like Play Optimal Poker to get a basic understanding of what's going on. You're on the right lines in that eventually you can craft a strategy that exploits villain's imbalances in a simplified way but it's going to be very different for every spot and the more we generalise the less effective our strategy will be.
I have bad memory btw studying a lot of spots might not be very effective for me thats why im trying to generalize strategy but sure i can try Solver but im afraid it will be very complicated like need to enter every details, stack sizes, player stats etc etc for every spot and memorize all right? some people have exceptional memory, wish i had the same i would study all of the lines but im trying to find ways that can be effective for me
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04-29-2024 , 07:16 AM
You don't need a good memory, it's 75% logic, but you do need a willnessness to learn and grapple with hard things. And you can learn/approximate GTO without a solver but again, you've still got to learn the logic of game theory either way if you want answers to your questions.
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04-29-2024 , 01:41 PM
The most important adjustment is playing passively on turn/river assuming their bet call range ends up stronger than it should be.

Otherwise you make a bit more on flop then make a -7bb turn barrel or a -3bb turn XC
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04-29-2024 , 04:00 PM
I would be careful with this statements about your abilitys. We can limit ourself alot by just our believes check out Jim Kwik on youtube he is one of the best momory coaches. Also his book i can recomend wich is called Limitless.
But to your question about how to adjust i support ceres opinion.
Getting GTO+ will be great to develop a deeper understanding by playing around with ranges , spr, positions etc. also you can do some nodelocks and see how the solver will react.
But you need to be patient with yourself at the beginning it will seem very overwhelming and you will feel often lost. Getting guidance and help from a study group or other sources is i think important to save time.
And it is mostly logic and asking the right questions etc. not realy memorizing like ceres sayed.
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04-29-2024 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by blazar
Hello, i need your advise

Against players who tend to fold to flop raises a lot like lets say 50%+ of time, what would be best exploit line against them? i know it all depends on board textures and all but lets say a general strategy which will apply to most of the boards

Scenario:

Villain bets flop

What amount should hero raise to make villain fold efficiently? or if Villain calls, what size of turn cbet should hero fire after that?
Everything the others posted + think about the node when the villain checks instead of betting, as it should also have imbalances.

To maximally exploit those guys you will also have to make adjustments on the previous street (in this case preflop).
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04-30-2024 , 08:24 AM
Thanks guys for the advice about working with Solver, for now i downloaded that book Play Optimal Poker, will read out of curiosity but there is no need to be balanced in NL25, Solvers whole idea is to be balanced in every spot but im trying to maximize exploits even if it creates imbalances in my game because if i play that line vs a guy who folds a lot i wont play that same line vs a guy who is balanced with the folds

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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
The most important adjustment is playing passively on turn/river assuming their bet call range ends up stronger than it should be.

Otherwise you make a bit more on flop then make a -7bb turn barrel or a -3bb turn XC
This is kind of answer i was looking for to discuss further, so if im gonna play passively on turn/river that means i should raise more on flop because i know if he calls i must check and give up so i better raise at least x3 right?
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