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NL25: Cut-off 88 faces a threebet from BTN raise NL25: Cut-off 88 faces a threebet from BTN raise

05-08-2024 , 02:09 PM
Player is 18/16 over only 40 hands, so stats at this point almost negligible imo. I've just recently sat at the table. No other notes.

I personally think preflop, flop and turn are all interesting. River seems like an easier call given bet size Advice appreciated!

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 110.56 BB
BB: 37.8 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8 8

Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 5 4 4
Hero checks, BTN bets 6.12 BB, Hero calls 6.12 BB

Turn: (31.64 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 13.6 BB, Hero calls 13.6 BB

River: (58.84 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 18.56 BB, Hero calls 18.56 BB
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05-08-2024 , 02:36 PM
Villain is not a fish, or at least with those stats it is not likely he is. He probably has a more or less standard three bet range. Preflop is standard here; you aren’t folding and there is no point 4 betting. Calling the 3 bet is clear.

Otf you probably are ok, but I might give some thought to raising to deny villain’s equity when he has the part of his range you beat (mostly overcards). Your hand is ahead of a significant portion of his range, but it is vulnerable. A flop c/r might force his AK, AQ, KQ, etc to fold. Even if he continues, he is less likely to be aggressive and try to bluff these combos. You can probably check turn and he may well check back. If he shows aggression and three bets your check raise, you can safely fold.

AP, you have a bluff catcher. The river call is pretty standard. Turn sizing also is pretty small so you probably are priced in to call. I wouldn’t be too shocked to see villain have an overpair here though.
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05-08-2024 , 04:04 PM
Fold turn IMO. You can call down but I see myself calling down only if I have reads that this particular opponent is aggro with a wide range in other scenarios. In this case we don't have this read so I'd base my decision on the general reads at this stake level which is I don't think he is wide enough on the turn.
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05-08-2024 , 04:12 PM
This doesn't look like a great bluff catcher to me. We block 78 and A8. Think I'd call AJ/AT before this hand since those combos have removal to overpairs and wheels. It depends on how often your population is triple barreling low boards in 3bet pots and how you think they construct their range. I'd be inclined to oversold this spot but I play in a different pool.

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05-08-2024 , 04:49 PM
I'm not folding at any point.
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05-08-2024 , 05:01 PM
Never folding but the solver solution is unique here. We range donk turn.
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05-08-2024 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Never folding but the solver solution is unique here. We range donk turn.
Sorry, could you explain this please? What does solver solution and range donk mean in this context? Not familiar with the lingo.
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05-09-2024 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by HeyYoshi
Sorry, could you explain this please? What does solver solution and range donk mean in this context? Not familiar with the lingo.
Solver solution is just the GTO solution or people call it equilibrium (it's when 2 solver's play near infinite iterations against each other using something called Deep counter factual regret minimization).

So usually in poker you defer to the previous aggressor on the next street, aka if someone raised preflop you usually check range to them on the flop and same thing for turn/river. Here, we don't defer to the previous aggressor and they call it a donk bet (term came from pre solver days when inexperienced players would bet into the aggressor). We found out through solvers that this is actually a viable strategy in certain spots.

This is one of those spots, so we donk bet (bet into the previous street aggressor) our entire range OTT for small. I was surprised as well.

Last edited by DooDooPoker; 05-09-2024 at 12:36 AM.
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05-09-2024 , 06:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Solver solution is just the GTO solution or people call it equilibrium (it's when 2 solver's play near infinite iterations against each other using something called Deep counter factual regret minimization).

So usually in poker you defer to the previous aggressor on the next street, aka if someone raised preflop you usually check range to them on the flop and same thing for turn/river. Here, we don't defer to the previous aggressor and they call it a donk bet (term came from pre solver days when inexperienced players would bet into the aggressor). We found out through solvers that this is actually a viable strategy in certain spots.

This is one of those spots, so we donk bet (bet into the previous street aggressor) our entire range OTT for small. I was surprised as well.
Interesting, thanks.
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05-09-2024 , 06:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Never folding but the solver solution is unique here. We range donk turn.
Donk turn is cool , but what we do otr. Donk again and fold to small raise?
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05-09-2024 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Dontletit
Donk turn is cool , but what we do otr. Donk again and fold to small raise?
That river is amazing for us so after donking turn we almost always bet river according to GTO.

You split river sizings.

1. First sizing is very small to put Ace high hands in 0EV spots

2. Second sizing is an all in to put Overpairs in 0EV spots

Really cool hand.
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05-09-2024 , 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Solver solution is just the GTO solution or people call it equilibrium (it's when 2 solver's play near infinite iterations against each other using something called Deep counter factual regret minimization).

So usually in poker you defer to the previous aggressor on the next street, aka if someone raised preflop you usually check range to them on the flop and same thing for turn/river. Here, we don't defer to the previous aggressor and they call it a donk bet (term came from pre solver days when inexperienced players would bet into the aggressor). We found out through solvers that this is actually a viable strategy in certain spots.

This is one of those spots, so we donk bet (bet into the previous street aggressor) our entire range OTT for small. I was surprised as well.
It seems like a normal thing to do on the turn on a blank card for the flop bettor. All of their complete whiffs have 6 outs so you get they to fold a lot.
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