villain is good. not sure if i like my river bet or the sizing. x/jamming didn't rly appeal to me as he can have some A5 combos here, doesn't have much he can b/c otr anyway and is checking back weak showdown hands way too often, so i went for the bet. my range is not completely capped since i can have some 56s combos. comments on riv line, bet sizing and what to do now are appreciated. $282 to call.

Meh, A5o/56o should fold pre, and A5s/56s should call. Can't trust him to play that way though. Pretty tough spot indeed, but this is the absolute top of our range. Since you described villain as "good", I'm not folding the top of my range. But I'm a station, so yeah...

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very easy call.

he can jam worse for value as the set of TT is the only hand besides straights in your range that can beat aces.

call. if you folded, dont tell anyone.

shoving worse sets than yours for value here is pretty standard imo, but I think villain shows up with A5s/56s more often than worse sets. Villain is nearly always barrelling turn w AA/AK which removes the absolute bottom of his value shoving range, which makes the river harder to call...having said all that, I think its a crying call, I just wouldn't be able to fold this here HU.

Its less likely for him to have a hand that we beat as played than it is for him to have played the hands we lose to pre and flop.

I call of course but expect to see the bad news.

samooth: what is his 4b range?

if hes 4 betting a wider range then a call is obviously justified in a vacuume, I think either way villain barely ever has air here, and is probably not 4 betting 22, 33, 44. I think villain has a5s,56s, way more of the time in his range by the river. But by the following process, with no information on gameflow and on the 3/4bet dynamic if there is one, this is the only case I can think of for villain bluffing the river.

Given that you are deep, you're preflop 4bet calling range is probably wider.I think villain's perception of our range looks like; some tpgk type hands even AK sometimes that doesn't c/r, some mid pp (7s.8s,9s,Ts,Js) and some weak draws (jq, 78s etc) as hero would presumably c/r with nut fd. This gives some incentive to villain to include bluffs in his range since only a slowplayed AA/KK is massively ahead here most of the time. I would just assume that villain continues barrelling his air on the turn, and barrels ak, aa which takes away a lot of villain's range for both bluffs and thin value that you're ahead of in this spot.

In any case I personally would not fold here unless I had a very strong read. Also, apologies for my inarticulate thought process, any opinions would be great.

why a5o cant 4b bluff pre?
why a5s/56s cant ocasionally 4b bluff pre as well? 4betting a wider range this deep can be a fine strategy - sort of pushing our positional advantage even further so as a result we'd need some hands for board coverage (not so relevant) and also that overall play quite well post-flop (very very relevant). 56s seems to fit that category perfectly, not that sure about a5s.

A5o can 4bet bluff pre, but I believe it to be a slight mistake in hand selection. Using a mixed strategy between 4bet/call vs 3bet with the suited connectors is certainly good, when board coverage is a concern (i.e. at a higher SPR). That does not change the fact that they should call a lot more often than 4bet. Perhaps sloppy to say that 56s should call (as i did in my previous post).

Id grab some whiskey just before I called here cause I know I will hate life after I click the call button. He has kk or 56 almost every time. 22-44 small percentage of the time due to the fact your pretty deep and he wont mess around pre flop. You got your children in their cant abandon them. I would type nh in the chat before I called though.

Come on the guy is not 4b a 5 here. That is not in his range being over 200 bbs deep. The last thing he would want is to flop an ace with a low kicker being this deep.

Fold flop, check river, obviously call now. You're better than this, man. Of course he can show up with a straight here, but your hand means you need to see it.

fold flop?

why that?

No .

People pay too little attention to the importance of flopped backdoor flush draws (or lack thereof) imo.

Who is the villian?

Auto folding flop against good aggro villain here, is just terrible. If this is anyone's default line, they really shouldn't be playing HU. I highly doubt that Spadle meant this..

it's obv what he meant, and i'm fine with his strat (x/c TT no s is marginal, still think it's better than x/f vs this particular villain). spladle, as played why are you checking riv?

check raising river seems infinite best, now call

Your doubt is misplaced, I definitely meant it. Don't think calling flop is a large mistake, but I do think it's a mistake. 65 and A6 are better hands here than TT imo (and ones I wouldn't fold).

Planning to check-raise all-in.

I expect villain's range in this spot to be extremely weak, with most of the hands that he won't fold to a bet being Tx. Because we hold two tens, I think villain will fold to a bet more often than usual and that checking will lead to him betting more frequently than he'd call if we bet.

With Kx-JJ I would bet, but with Tx (or TT) I'd check.

TT should be a fold on the flop but JJ is strong enough to vbet the river?

Should villain shove any worse for value on the river? If not what makes TT a better call than other blufcatchers?

I think a5 is actually quite a big part of his starting range on the river and i expect people to underbluff this spot so I would make the fold

GTO wise hard to tell because it depends so much on how optimal 4bet-ranges look like

If you know that villain will check behind on the turn and that the turn and river will both be a T or lower without putting a 3-flush or 4-straight on the board, TT with no should call on the flop. TT with a should call even if you do not possess this foreknowledge.

No.

Villain is not guaranteed to play the way I think he should. So he may in fact shove worse than TT for value on the river.

Okay.

Indeed.

if i remember you correctly, i appreciate you posting. however, even if x/jamming with TT here is best, i have no clue how it can be "infinite" best. maybe you were just exaggerating - if not, please explain.

i agree with the thought process in general, but how many Tx combos are in villains range here? 100bb deep, i guess the typical 4betting range of a midstakes reg who 4bets something like AA-JJ(TT), AK, and bluffs roughly a 1:1 ratio contains maybe 1 or 2 combos of Tx on avg at most. would you mind giving some insight on what you think a well constructed 4betting range should look like 100bb deep, and how it changes when ~250bb deep?