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10-14-2009 , 03:33 PM
Looking back at this Hand I think its a bad Squeez Spot. Nut quite sure about it.


OR is 23/19 fold to 3-bet 80% 350 Hands
Caller is 27/19 90 Hands


No specific question about Postflop, just want to know if this line is okay.
$0.1/$0.2 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Navie333 ($20)
UTG+1 MaksBY ($44.88)
CO Lfdjk ($33.91)
BTN Dulll ($22.56)
SB elektrosock ($48.98)
BB Hero ($29.13)

Pre-Flop: ($0.30, 6 players) Hero is BB J K
1 fold, MaksBY raises to $0.70, 1 fold, Dulll calls $0.70, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.60, MaksBY folds, Dulll calls $1.90

Flop: 2 K 8 ($6, 2 players)
Hero bets $3.20, Dulll calls $3.20

Turn: 4 ($12.40, 2 players)
Hero bets $7, Dulll raises to $16.76, Hero calls $9.76
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10-14-2009 , 04:03 PM
I think pre is ok, I shut down on turn though
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10-14-2009 , 04:22 PM
Dont squeeze KJs PF. You are turning ur hand into bluff.
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10-14-2009 , 04:24 PM
I'm pretty sure you need to raise more pf being oop. I think you gave him odds to set mine. I'm thinking $3, someone else should chime in though.
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10-14-2009 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fattony7891
Dont squeeze KJs PF. You are turning ur hand into bluff.
I dont like calling here much (even it could be good not sure)
so I dont mind turning my hand into a bluff
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10-14-2009 , 04:25 PM
Squeeze size is OK-ish maybe 1bb more

Flop bet needs to be larger and shove turn

Calling > squeezing imo
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10-14-2009 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fattony7891
Dont squeeze KJs PF. You are turning ur hand into bluff.
I dont mind turning our hand into a bluff here, its not that strong OOP to 2 players in a raised pot and we can hit some good flops when we are called
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10-14-2009 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
Squeeze size is OK-ish maybe 1bb more

Flop bet needs to be larger and shove turn

Calling > squeezing imo
What hands are you looking to squeeze with here? As a bluff not for value.

Don't mean to hijack the thread OP, just curious.

Edit: Yea I def dont think you should be calling, I just didnt think it was particualrly good to squeeze with.
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10-14-2009 , 04:47 PM
I generally wouldn't squeeze at this level as a bluff.
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10-14-2009 , 04:47 PM
I think your bet sizing on flop and turn is too small, but when he raises you on the turn this is definitely a fold.
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10-14-2009 , 04:54 PM
I think pre is fine
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10-14-2009 , 04:54 PM
I'm ok with squeeze, but would probably make it a tad bigger. Bet more on flop, and I'm definitely c/f turn.
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10-14-2009 , 04:57 PM
Squeeze PF is fine if you raise bigger to $3 imo.

I don't like calling and playing this hand OOP 3-way. Plus I think you will fold out a fair amount of the ORs hands and the over-caller will come along with worse.

Flop bet has to be bigger $3.20 is too small - I think I would bet $5 here to charge draws and maybe (not many) weaker Ks.

I don't understand why you bet 1/2 on the flop - then nearly 2/3 on the turn scare card? As played I would be giving up on the turn.
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10-14-2009 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
I generally wouldn't squeeze at this level as a bluff.
I don't think this is good. Squeezes seem to be very profitable, at least for me.
Could be running hot ofc.
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10-14-2009 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gman339
I'm ok with squeeze, but would probably make it a tad bigger. Bet more on flop, and I'm definitely c/f turn.
Why you raise bigger when your plan is to c/f the turn and when you will fold to a flop raise?


I recently saw some DC videos of Cranz where he talks about leverage where he says to bet smaller in general when our plan is to fold to further action.

If we get raised we just loose more, and I don't think WHEN they bluff in this spot they don't do it because we bet 1$ less.
Only point I can see is that if we make it like 1.50 more we have a PSB left on the turn.
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10-14-2009 , 05:25 PM
me thinks

call > squeeze > fold
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10-14-2009 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by supervillan
Squeeze PF is fine if you raise bigger to $3 imo.
I don't understand why you bet 1/2 on the flop - then nearly 2/3 on the turn scare card? As played I would be giving up on the turn.
This goes with the Cranz thing I stated above, if we get 4-bet we fold anyway, so we can safe some money when OR goes over the top and I am not sure how much the %foldequity chances (and I think nobody can, its kinda a guessing game) Since I bet my AA/KK a bit smaller preflop to in those spots I like to do it with my Squeezes too

I bet 1/2 on the flop to pick up the pot there if he has complete missed his hand. I'd do that with most of my hands, maybe all on this flop.

After he called me I was scared in the very first moment.
I didn't liked the turn card first.
But still, what could he double-flat-call preflop with? AK is in his range, but I think he would push/minraise/raise on the flop a good amount of the time. Same for 88.
KQ is in his range too ... I guess its the most likly hand that beats me.
Random Two-Spade Hands are in his range too I think ... I don't know if he calls QJss or JTss or ATss in those spots...
but again I think he will raise those on the flop a high % of the time

since I raised preflop&on the flop so small I think he could float with JJ/TT/99, maybe unimproved AsQh.

On the turn I bet out for value vs floating PP's and to protect my hand.
After he pushed I had 3.5-1 odds (Didn't noticed that I will have such great odds before I bet which was a mistake)

And with 3.5-1 I think I should call even if he has slowplayed 88/AxKx/ATss sometimes, he could do this with 99sx/TTsx/JJsx

So I called.
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10-14-2009 , 05:38 PM
showing villains turn reraise and your call is like posting results to me.

next time dont show any turn action or at least just show your bet. this hand was prettu nice but got a little bit screwed cuz of that.
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10-14-2009 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kidacao
showing villains turn reraise and your call is like posting results to me.

next time dont show any turn action or at least just show your bet. this hand was prettu nice but got a little bit screwed cuz of that.
Why is that?

For me is my Turn bet, AND my turn call part of this discusion.
Its not about "how much should I bet on the flop"
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