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Old 04-12-2012, 10:43 PM   #176
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Re: NL10 Zoom - KK 3bet pot

your approach to betsizing is totally wrong. its perfectly fine to cbet halfpot with your entire cbetting range when you are 100bbs deep. think about it. why would you want to bet huge and let him know you want to play for stacks?
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:45 PM   #177
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This thread is like Flowers for Algernon.

For anyone who enjoyed Goonercam and RainbowBrights posts on this and would like to learn more about balanced ranges there's an awesome series of articles here
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:45 PM   #178
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This thread is like Flowers for Algernon.


lold irl for this
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:57 PM   #179
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Let's give you a really tight range and a good board to cbet with pretty much all of it.

Board: As Js Td
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.113% 55.68% 00.44% 47953 377.50 { 99+, A9s+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 43.887% 43.45% 00.44% 37422 377.50 { 9s8s }

I don't need much FE to profit when you're restealing tight, let alone loose.
I don't think you know what "profit" means in this context. You don't want to be profitable on the flop, you want to make sure that your pre flop call of the 3-bet is +EV. Fwiw, I have a program that runs an EV calculation NOT an all-in equity calculation. These are two vastly different things.


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If you only cbet when you hit huge, are you going to check a wet board like that and let me choose whether or not to take a free card?

Position is hard to counter.
Nope. Like I said, on all boards all the time with my entire range, I'm going to pot the flop and shove the turn. I'm playing like a mindless zombie. You being the sLAG that you are, should be able to come up with a counter strategy to be the mindless zombie. (And let's try and not lecture me on the value of position... instead just use it to your advantage and tell me how you can call pre flop "profitably").


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But your general defence strategy is correct.
Didn't we have a talk in the last post about using terminology that you don't understand. Fwiw, my strategy on all streets is anything but balanced... it's actually pretty close to as terrible as it can be. But it doesn't change the fact that there's not enough skill advantage to make up for your card disadvantage.

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Bet the flop like you mean it, and he knows you're playing for stacks if he wants to make a move. That makes it a lot easier to get his range right if you face a raise. And if you get his range right, it'll be easier for you to stack hiim than him you.
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I don't know what to say here. Let's stick to the topic about how you're going to play against my brain dead strategy.

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But to get his range right, you need to be able to believe that his hand is in his range
Ok. Well you know EXACTLY every hand in my range and EXACTLY what I will do with every part of that range. Just tell me what type of hands that you shove on the flop, which type of hands you call the flop, and which type you call the turn. And I'll do the rest.

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Old 04-12-2012, 11:29 PM   #180
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Re: NL10 Zoom - KK 3bet pot

One of the funniest things is how ymu answers not like he's defending himself but like he's giving RainbowBright lessons.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:29 PM   #181
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Fwiw, I have a program that runs an EV calculation NOT an all-in equity calculation. These are two vastly different things.
Is this a commercial program, or just something that you've programmed yourself?
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:52 PM   #182
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Is this a commercial program, or just something that you've programmed yourself?
Commercial program: cardrunnersev calc
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Old 04-13-2012, 03:44 AM   #183
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Re: NL10 Zoom - KK 3bet pot

Bet flop bigger. Your range for betting this board is generally stronger anyway, so you should cbet bigger with your entire range.

I just fold.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:54 AM   #184
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Re: NL10 Zoom - KK 3bet pot

This hand is 120bb deep effective, and you'll often be playing deeper than 100, unless you're short-stacking or rat-holing very fast indeed.

The best ranges to play, and call, depend on how deep the stacks you're targeting are. If a shortstacker 3bets from the blinds, then the range is completely different.

I know you know this, so it shouldn't need saying. But nm.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:00 AM   #185
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This hand is 120bb deep effective, and you'll often be playing deeper than 100, unless you're short-stacking or rat-holing very fast indeed.

The best ranges to play, and call, depend on how deep the stacks you're targeting are. If a shortstacker 3bets from the blinds, then the range is completely different.

I know you know this, so it shouldn't need saying. But nm.
Seriously, you've even had mathematical proofs that your advice is wrong. Please give up.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:39 AM   #186
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Re: NL10 Zoom - KK 3bet pot

This thread is still going, with many more LOL's, I love it.
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Old 04-15-2012, 05:07 AM   #187
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This thread is still going, with many more LOL's, I love it.
Seems you ended it now, loved it too!
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:32 AM   #188
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:54 PM   #189
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Bump for epicness.

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Old 04-26-2012, 01:39 PM   #190
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