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Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese
wow this thread has it all
labeling players after a tiny sample as sLAGS (this is a new one for me) and using how durr and isi play and bringing it into a uNL thread to help make a point
ymu everything you have said is truly ridiculous
Wow, an in-depth strategy post to show me the error of my thought processes. Thanks!
If OP had been paying attention to the 52 hands he has on villain, he'd know a lot more than he has told us. If he went through those 52 hands now, he could get a retrospective read which might help him read small sample villains better in future.
There's just way too much 'oh, his VPIP/PFR' look a bit fishy, therefore he is a fish and 'oh, he called a 3bet and is raising so he has QQ'. If you can't use the limited information you have properly, you will end up stacking off or folding the best hand to better players way too often simply because you haven't given any more thought to it beyond 'stats don't look TAGgy'.
LAG is not the most profitable way to play NL25, but plenty of players practice LAG at NL25, especially those who are planning on moving up one day. You'll lose a lot of money to these players if you assume they are fish based on no justification whatsoever.
Here's a screen shot from my last session:
I only have 4.6k hands (top left), winning over this small sample for 15.7bb/100. I've been playing 29/21 overall, 8% 3bet, 12% resteal. No open limps, call raises 16% of the time, 33% fold to 3bet. cbet 94% on flop and 82% on turn (what can I say, TAGfish fold too much).
The guy to my right is shaping up as a possibly competent LAG on 98 hands. Seems to have a preflop-heavy game and doesn't seem to call much in position. 29/25, 10% 3bet, 23% resteal, 67% fold to 3bet, no open limping, calls raises with 6%, 64% cbet.
The guy to my left is a rock based on 98 hands. 13/11/3 and 0% resteal, calls raises with 6%, cbets 100% (tiny sample for cbet cos he rarely gets any post-flop action). Another rock on the bottom right, 15/15/11 and 0% resteal, have not seen him call a raise, 100% cbet.
The fish is at the bottom left. 78/16 with 70% open limping and calls raises with 67%. Never limp-folds, limp-reraises 27%. 3bets 16% and resteals 15%. cbets 56%, floats a lot of flops and turns, raises and bets a lot post flop.
That's how I size up a table. VPIP/PFR tell you very little. You'll be making some huge errors if you base your reads on these stats without applying a bit of thought to it. And massive errors if you don't study how and why players with a different style from you play the game.