Opponent is 30/19/29 aggrFrq

Preflop I call to keep his entire range, cause I don't want to isolate myself against a tighter range. Call flop to keep all his bluff cbet range. When he checks on the turn I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a queen, so I bet for value and protection against draws. He bets 1/2 on the river and I'm not sure what I beat here, so I folded.

Can I 3b JJ in this spot for value or is there a better line to take ?
Thanks in advance!

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NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.96)
Hero ($16.11)
UTG ($3.79)
UTG+1 ($10.01)
CO ($3.50)
BTN ($11.51)

Dealt to Hero J J

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

FLOP ($0.60) Q 5 8

SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

TURN ($1.20) Q 5 8 T

SB checks, Hero bets $0.85, SB calls $0.85

RIVER ($2.90) Q 5 8 T 8

SB bets $1.45, Hero folds

SB wins $2.76

Pre 3bet always JJ bvb. You are missing out value by just flatting. What is his f-to-3b? If its superhigh, then maybe flat and your point with isolating vs a supertight range becomes true. I doubt a player with this stats won't call a lot with worse tbh.

Flop is a raise. But meh, i guess you wanted to bluffcatch for a small potsize.
He bets half pot, what means almost generally weakness and the board is drawy.

As played, turn bet is ok. And you should call the river, if you bet the turn.

Honestly i think your thought process on all streets is way too weak tight and you played the hand in such a way that villain could be betting with anything on the river.

3bet pre bro, do it for value and because it's BvB and because you have position. I think I would play it the same way post though.

Not any of this

Hand is played fine after flatting pre but 3b is far better

Defo 3bet pre.

Plz come up with arguments if you quote me. This is just bad behaviour.

kind of back and forth responses here...why do we raise this flop? for thin value?we are gonna make him fold air and continue with the top of his range for c-betting which is doing pretty good against us, were gonna put ourself in a tough spot on a lot of turn cards and end up getting c/r or shoved on and being like wtf.Why the eff do we need to call the river if we bet the turn?? we bet turn for value and protection, lots of his turn flatting range gets there on the river..So were bluffcatching what with a river call??

I feel calling Pre is fine with JJ. U played the hand well. I think on the river a 30/19/29 will bet regardless. Call here cos he will open from the SB with a lot of hands other than Q10, QJ etc.
If u consider a 36% range for him which is possible given 30/19 stats u have a 62% equity on the river.Enough to justify a call of half the pot

I raise the flop to take it down right here. Our hand is good atm, but won't be good in a lot of cases on later streets and it is difficult to play facing a bet then. Also i want to avoid villain getting a cheap turn with his draws, 2nd pair, etc..

Regarding the turn: Why do we suddently bet our hand for value and protection. That job could have been done on the flop also. There it isn't for value and protection?

On river basically nothing changed. Why do we put money in ott, if we don't otr? Also we are getting 3:1 pot-odds.

Thanks for the comments guys, really appreciated!
If the flush didn't come, I'd have called, but I'm not sure if he's betting with Tx and 99 here, because it's the only thing I beat. As for the 3b preflop, I'm kind of struggling with this situations when a not full stacked player raises and when I 3b, I can't call if he shoves, so I have to fold. So 3b/fold if he jams is a better line ?

3b pf for sure imo. why would you fold to a shove? we 3b pf because we want to get it in, not because we want him to fold.

siebenacht, I don't think that your logic is quite right in this hand. why would you raise the flop? you don't want him to fold his air. you want him to bet the turn with those hands. we want to play in a way that is most +ev not the easiest. on the flop, we just call hoping he barrels again so we can call. on the turn we bet because we most likely have the best hand and we need to get value/protect our hand. he is going to have c/c some fds and some Tx hands.

you shouldn't appreciate the comments because they all suck

pre flop you can probably 3bet vs this opponent mainly because he has a high gap between vpip and pfr and due to his weird stack size

but calling is fine

flop is never a raise

comments like "villain's betsizing is weak" are beyond ******ed

well guess what he doesn't have to bet bigger because there will be no problems getting stacks in and by going for 3 street instead of 2 he can get calls from a wider range

bet turn

he rarely has a queen and might check/call a lot of draws/worse pairs

villain leads river when an obvious draw hits/one of the weaker pairs he might've check/called the turn with hit trips etc etc

so it's an easy fold

this is well played

best regards,
X!!!, king of unl

3b pre, flat flop, turn bet is good.

With love,
Frenzied Deity, Grandmaster of uNL

flop raise is bad, if villain can 3bet otf with a range of Qx, overpairs and draws (plus random bluffs), we have to give up our equity. easy flat otf imo. turn looks good. river meh, i would fold here.

preflop 3bet if you feel good getting it in vs. this villain, or if villain is likely to flat with worse. if not flatting is ok imo.

Dear Frenzied Deity,

you forgot to state what you would do on the river. Everyone is interested to hear

Best regards,
X!!!, king of unl

yep nh

Just 3bet pf. As called, very wp