I realise it´s not best idea to get into multiway pots with these hands but both blinds are fish and I don´t want to iso them out of the pot against the reg.
Decide to flat cos I have position-ish.
3 bet is so small that I´m not going anywhere.

Flop is either shove or fold and while I´d rather have a hand like A8 or J8, T8 to shove with, I feel like giving up here would be too weak.
When SB checks, I´m pretty sure he missed and gave up with the pot. MP betting 2/3 pot into 3 people is obv pretty strong with 88, 99 and JT def in his range along with Adxd type hands.
But still, I have close to 40% eq against this range.
Thoughts?

[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37681073

UTG: $10.30 (103 bb)
MP: $10.83 (108.3 bb)
Hero (CO): $11.61 (116.1 bb)
BTN: $9.27 (92.7 bb)
SB: $6.22 (62.2 bb)
BB: $9.91 (99.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 7
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB raises to $0.80, BB folds, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.30) Q 9 8 (4 players)
SB checks, MP bets $2.31, Hero raises to $10.81

It is an excellent idea to get into multiway pots with these hands!

3bet or fold pre. AP have to call the 3bet.

This flop plays excellent with just a call (the fact that you even consider folding here is wtf) as:

1) We encourage SB to join the fun
2) We keep the bettor's range wide and
3) We can play some turns in position.

Explain how flop is shove/fold? You have massive equity. Just call from behind and hope SB comes along.

Good points, shoving doesn´t really accomplish much since I´m not getting any better hands to fold so calling here does make sence.
I guess I have a tendency to play my draws overly agro.

It's fine to play draws aggressively sometimes. Would rather that Qd be the 2d-6d though.

As said above its good to be aggro with your draws but mainly the ones with very little showdown value so you have higher fold equity. In this case you have some showdown value with draw and I think it normally makes a lot of sense to play these more passively (my thinking being it allows you to have some monsters even when you've been passive on earlier streets)

without having spottet a solid leak on the reg this hand is just no flat call... usually a fold
AP I think it is spewy... the reg is probably not bet-folding in this spot... and I don't buy those 40%... I assume he would check some if not most of his Adxd

if you want to keep fish in you should have a hand.
with 87s I would rather 3bet the reg, because he is probably attacking the fishes in the blinds...
mostly fold pre

Fairly standard flat with 3 fish still to act, especially so if you have an edge on MP.

+1

Idk.I think it ok as played.Its really hard to play the turn if we just call if it is the diamond and MP shoves we must call it off and look at his nuts xD if its not diamond and he shoves.What we going to do?Call?I would not agree that we dont make him fold anything better KQ JJ 9T 9J all those should fold as well as some AQ combos and we getting called by worst hands like KTd AdXd.Jaming to protect your equity looks like decent option and obv we have lot of value combos like TJs 88 99

#draws to play aggressively

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 18.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 78)
UTG: 90 BB (VPIP: 14.84, PFR: 10.10, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 320)
MP: 63.5 BB (VPIP: 30.95, PFR: 5.12, 3Bet Preflop: 4.50, Hands: 440)
Hero (CO): 100.5 BB
BTN: 84 BB (VPIP: 28.83, PFR: 23.30, 3Bet Preflop: 8.08, Hands: 294)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.23, PFR: 13.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.48, Hands: 2,816)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 7 Q 8
Hero bets 5 BB, BTN raises to 15 BB, Hero raises to 97.5 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 66 BB and is all-in

Turn: (169.5 BB, 2 players) J

River: (169.5 BB, 2 players) T



If I had the 6c7c, I would just x flop for pot control. 6c5c, 6c9c or 10c9c, I'm betting 100% of the time and don't mind getting raised because I have so much equity. These types of flopped draws are pretty rare, so it's more likely I have a set here than one of the 3 hands I mentioned. In other words I have my opponent in real bad shape or I'm flipping vs his range most of the time if we GII.

True! missed the fact that we had 3 short stackers behind us.

Cincerly I would be more happy raising against SB range. MP has few 1p pair hands and more monsters.

This is a 3 bet or fold pre. Calling the raise, and then the re-raise is a leak. On the flop your getting aggressive with an underpair and a small flush draw. You, bet, and get Re raised on the flop which pretty much states your equity in the hand is poor. You could be up against let's say 10/Jack of Diamonds and be drawing nearly dead. I think you need to rethink how you play this hand pre, and when getting a lot of action.

Rather reraise pre than flat.

As played, i think getting it in is the worst option but id rather flat with the pair giving you some showdown value. I would rather take your line with 6d7d or td7d. Pretty sure anything besides folding on this flop is fine.

Calling the reraise absolutely isn't a leak. Folding there would be atrocious.

Flatting is more than fine if you're strong postflop (relative to the field), especially with three fish still to act.

yeah that's gonna be fun, playing post flop a big multiway pot with 8 high and "fish still to act"... like when MP cbets and you have to act not knowing what fish is going to do

It's not that difficult. When you whiff the flop, you just fold.

Flatting or 3b pre are fine imo.

I'd still shove here, equity denial is a big part of our EV in this situation and the fact that he might fold pairs & overcards or call w/ naked flush draws will still make it +EV. The alternative is we go to the turn with a range disadvantage and a super low SPR w/ bottom pair.

i don't want to be offensive, so sarcasm is "on" now

just fold when you miss is a great postflop strategy, especially with a hand that flops a monster every... week... and has reversed implied odds like 87

sarcasm "off" now

no seriously, i think with 77 this would be fine, but with 87 you are going to hit a lot of "okayishidontwanttofoldflops" and then get into awkward spots and end up getting in a lot of money with not so much equity

whoever thinks he can play that profitable - be my guest, but for me, against random fish with that relative position.... nope

There's reverse implied odds if you pay the fish off when you hit middle pair. Playing 4way pots with suited connectors against fish sounds like the dream.

You don't have to flop a monster always. You can hit a small pair and check down, fish play passively all the time. You can flop 2pair or better, plays itself. You can flop a draw. Where can I sign up?

i thought reversed implied odds are making a strong hand most of the time but pretty much never the nuts... like flopping an 8 high flush and loosing vs Q3 of diamonds...

or like having to shove with bottom pair and 8 high flusdraw on Q98... i wonder what happens, when SB calls the shove with Kd2d and MP rolls over 99.

and after seen the BB Fish playing super passive and predictable (small squeeze OOP) i am sure we love life when he puts in a weired min check raise on a 864 flop with two clubs...

sarcasm "on" "off"

If we're always calling 8BB 3 bets with low suited connectors, than I'm sorry it is absolutely a leak. Granted, maybe a small one, because the pot is multiway.

If your going to float with 8d7d you can not expect a much better flop here, this is very standard you have a pair and a flush draw you have to bet aggressively. Not happy with jammy the pot, 3 bet him and call it a day if he 4 bets.

Not this. 87s is almost always a flat in this situation pre and virtually never a fold if you want to stay balanced and relatively unexploitable versus other players.

Flop is a call most of the time. Never a fold. And raising is fine sometimes too. Jamming over there is just fishy.

More of a leak than folding with position on fish getting 5.5:1?