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08-26-2016 , 09:52 PM
Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

SB: $8.54 (170.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $5 (100 bb)
MP: $6.42 (128.4 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $5.86 (117.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.12, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.33

Flop: ($0.92) K J 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.46, BTN calls $0.46

Turn: ($1.84) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.93, BTN calls $0.93

River: ($3.70) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.02, Hero ?

24\21 but the sample is small
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08-26-2016 , 10:28 PM
If we assume that AQ, AT, and QTs bluffs the river, it gives you around 70% equity. Remove everything but AQ from that and you still have 38%, with 22, 33, JJ, and KJ in his value range. Calling two streets with nothing but a gutshot & 1 overcard is not something everyone does though.

Last edited by suchwinmuchprofit; 08-26-2016 at 10:35 PM.
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08-27-2016 , 12:35 AM
Fold.
His bluff range is very tight.
You cant beat him with KQ.
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08-27-2016 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by verxina
Fold.
His bluff range is very tight.
You cant beat him with KQ.

Agree
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08-27-2016 , 04:25 AM
With what heand he play coll flop and coll turn? Its to many hands, becose you two tame bet 1/2 pot. Why he push river, not bet smoll? Whuth AK and JJ ne pre flop 4-bet. Soo what hand he have wich beat you: KJ and 33 and its too many dro which bluf river. Soo we coll river.

Good luck on tables/
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08-27-2016 , 02:40 PM
I'd probably bet river myself. Lots of bluffs/value hands in our range.
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08-27-2016 , 03:45 PM
I 3b bigger pre, Cbet bigger OTF
idk if i bet turn prolly yes, because ck calling puts us in a difficult spot so keeping it simple and value betting turn sounds like a good plan

''I'd probably bet river myself'' > exactly

I block bet river for thin value like $1.25-$1.45

As played insta fold

Last edited by ARCANGEL0; 08-27-2016 at 03:46 PM. Reason: mistake
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08-27-2016 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ARCANGEL0
I block bet river for thin value like $1.25-$1.45
When do u ever use that sizing with a monster? You dont, so you are basically turning you hand face up, inviting a frisky Villain to bluff u off that non-nutted hand by shoving. Would you call a shove?
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08-27-2016 , 05:29 PM
Why not use this hand for x/c flop?
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08-27-2016 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Shamway99
Why not use this hand for x/c flop?
Because betting is higher EV
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08-27-2016 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Because betting is higher EV
Can you please explain why is betiting higher EV?
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08-27-2016 , 06:35 PM
KQ too high up in our value range to x flop imo.

Villain has polarized range on river, only sets/2p or bluffs assuming AK 4bets pre.
Value hands are 33, JJ, KJ, bluffs something like QT, AQ, AThh, maybe JThh? I would find a call here.
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08-27-2016 , 08:05 PM
inviting a frisky Villain to bluff u off that non-nutted hand by shoving. Would you call a shove?
I will not call a shove (thought that by saying is for thin value it would be implied that we r not calling a shove)
Not too many frisky villains at 5nl
The times they call will over compensate the times they bluff u out of the hand + the times they RR when they do have it.

Get value from ur hand worry about the RR WHEN it happens. To paraphrase Doyle Brunson
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08-28-2016 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Karrlitos1
Can you please explain why is betiting higher EV?
When thinking about whether or not to check or bet you also need to think about the additional equity villain gains when you check and he checks behind. Also, thinking about what value hands and bluffs he has in his range and how he is going to play them.

We 3b pre here and he is in BTN. He's going to have a lot of suited connectors/1 gappers, broadways, suited aces, and pocket pairs. By betting you get a lot of value from JX/KX and some draws. Villain's range has many hands that want you to check though like AXs/JX/PP so he can get additional equity with these hands and he's unlikely to be bluffing into you on this board either, so when you check you're losing a lot of value from JX/KX hands that might not bet and you're just giving him a chance to improve and rarely gaining much EV from any bluffs.

When we bet we get value from a decent number of hands
When we check we don't get value from as many hands AND we give villain the opportunity to realize additional equity.
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08-28-2016 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
When thinking about whether or not to check or bet you also need to think about the additional equity villain gains when you check and he checks behind. Also, thinking about what value hands and bluffs he has in his range and how he is going to play them.

We 3b pre here and he is in BTN. He's going to have a lot of suited connectors/1 gappers, broadways, suited aces, and pocket pairs. By betting you get a lot of value from JX/KX and some draws. Villain's range has many hands that want you to check though like AXs/JX/PP so he can get additional equity with these hands and he's unlikely to be bluffing into you on this board either, so when you check you're losing a lot of value from JX/KX hands that might not bet and you're just giving him a chance to improve and rarely gaining much EV from any bluffs.

When we bet we get value from a decent number of hands
When we check we don't get value from as many hands AND we give villain the opportunity to realize additional equity.
Thanks for the explanation
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