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08-19-2014 , 01:03 PM
    Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #29763221

    MP: $7.95 (159 bb)
    CO: $5.65 (113 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $6.53 (130.6 bb)
    SB: $5.30 (106 bb)
    BB: $5.05 (101 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
    MP raises to $0.15, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, MP calls $0.30

    Flop: ($0.97) J 7 5 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $0.73, MP calls $0.73

    Turn: ($2.43) 4 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $1.73, MP calls $1.73

    River: ($5.89) 3 (2 players)
    MP bets $5.04 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $5.89 pot ($0.39 rake)
    Final Board: J 7 5 4 3
    MP mucked and won $5.50 ($2.59 net)
    Hero mucked A A and lost (-$2.91 net)



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    Hi guys. After a long break of poker, now i'm here to post my hand
    Oppo is a reg 25/18 3bet 4.5/ call3bet OOP 60%/ Agg%river 19/4b range 2.1/ hands 689.. (If u need another stats, pls tell me).

    I think that preflop and flop is very standard.
    Turn--> i cbet for value.
    River --> Here is the problem. Is right the fold? Which is the opponent's range in this spot?

    Thx for the attention!
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    08-19-2014 , 01:08 PM
    Seeing how this is a reg, I'm snapping this off. Villain should never have a 6 in his range, minus a sticky 66. His value range is so one pair heavy that I can't imagine not being good here a vast majority of the time.
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    08-19-2014 , 10:40 PM
    i would call

    we are too high in our range and villain can have a variety of conceivably missed draws
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    08-20-2014 , 12:55 AM
    Folding river, well played IMO.

    Bluff here just doesn't make sense. If he's a decent reg why would he try a bluff on you after you reraised pre and fired 2 barrels? You have showed tons of strength in this hand. And his near pot size bet makes folding even easier.

    You can't beat any of his value hands, you're just bluff catching with an overpair here. Looks like he slowplayed a set. Unless you have some specific stat on which to doubt him I don't see how we can call.

    Last edited by Axel15810; 08-20-2014 at 01:09 AM.
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    08-20-2014 , 11:29 AM
    Why wouldent a decent reg bluff here vs someone who cant hand read and will fold AA not realizing we never have a 6?
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    08-20-2014 , 07:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KrakenUO
    Why wouldent a decent reg bluff here vs someone who cant hand read and will fold AA not realizing we never have a 6?
    Here's my thoughts as to why -

    If he's a good reg he'd know that players will rarely fold an overpair to this river bet at 5NL.

    He'd first have to have a HUD and know OP is a solid player. Then we'd have to have a tiny 3bet range so that he could put us on an overpair (maybe the OP does, I don't know. OP what's your 3bet %?) and then he'd have to have the knowledge that we're not a typical player and are capable of folding in this spot. If he's done all that then kudos to him he deserves the pot. There's very few players that are that insightful at 5NL.

    Overall it's just assuming too much that villain is a very good player using a HUD and has all this info and thought it through when the vast majority of players are either bad players, don't use HUDs or both.

    Last edited by Axel15810; 08-20-2014 at 07:16 PM.
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    08-20-2014 , 07:27 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Axel15810
    Here's my thoughts as to why -

    If he's a good reg he'd know that players will rarely fold an overpair to this river bet at 5NL.

    He'd first have to have a HUD and know OP is a solid player. Then we'd have to have a tiny 3bet range so that he could put us on an overpair (maybe the OP does, I don't know. OP what's your 3bet %?) and then he'd have to have the knowledge that we're not a typical player and are capable of folding in this spot. If he's done all that then kudos to him he deserves the pot. There's very few players that are that insightful at 5NL.

    Overall it's just assuming too much that villain is a very good player using a HUD and has all this info and thought it through when the vast majority of players are either bad players, don't use HUDs or both.
    This. I think a large portion of 5NL players call here which wouldn't make bluffing here profitable .

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    08-21-2014 , 02:00 AM
    at first i was like wtf but than i saw that this is a 3b pot...
    snapcall & a 6x isn't in his range and JJJ is unlikely.
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    08-21-2014 , 03:01 AM
    wrote a reply arguing we should fold, saw it's a 3bet pot and deleted it.

    not folding. It's certainly a set sometimes, if he has a straight we get a pretty nice note on him. but 2:1 in a 3bet pot with the bestest pair is probably too much to fold.

    This guy does have a pretty high (60%) call3b%, but still calling.
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