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02-28-2011 , 01:27 PM

RaiseDaAce

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CO: $7.54
Hero (BTN): $10.15
SB: $9.72
BB: $10.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 6

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $10.15

squeezer: 3bet: 9%, resteal from SB: 22%, resteal from BB: 45% over 219 hands.

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02-28-2011 , 01:38 PM

ionutd

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ok, he 3b light, so 4b light to 4$, why are you shoving?

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02-28-2011 , 01:43 PM

fearofaces

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i dont like it at all, i dont think i ever 4 bet bluffed with any success at 10nl but if you must you can raise to 3.4 or so and get the same effect with out risking your stack. look up leveraging... actually dont it really is just spew at 10nl. just fold and leave the table as you have a maniac on your left

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02-28-2011 , 01:43 PM

RaiseDaAce

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Originally Posted by ionutd

ok, he 3b light, so 4b light to 4$, why are you shoving?

because I want to make him fold anything besides the nuts from his range. do you think this is that big of a difference? Cause I would simply push here every now and then with strong hands too.

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02-28-2011 , 01:45 PM

999

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lol

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02-28-2011 , 01:48 PM

RaiseDaAce

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Originally Posted by 999

lol

I guess I understand

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02-28-2011 , 02:04 PM

Geralt

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Why are you sitting to the right of a player like this?

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02-28-2011 , 02:06 PM

Ligic

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Originally Posted by ionutd

ok, he 3b light, so 4b light to 4$, why are you shoving?

4betting to 4$ is worse than shoving

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02-28-2011 , 02:06 PM

Koss

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Originally Posted by fearofaces

I think against unknowns any sort of 4-bet bluff at this level is a spew. But once someone has established they are a 3-bet monkey they can be 4-bet wide very profitably. Most 3-bet%'s at 10NL are either less than 2 or greater than 10. Makes it pretty easy IMO.

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02-28-2011 , 02:22 PM

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dontsoff

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Verneer talked about 4bet shoving with ppr vs a habitual 3bettor.
But I try to 4bet as a bluff with KQ, Ax, AJ, as there is lower variance, that 3bettor has nuts.

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02-28-2011 , 05:36 PM

#11

dangomango

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i rate this 10/10 if this was a tournament play

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02-28-2011 , 05:41 PM

#12

ionutd

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Originally Posted by Ligic

4betting to 4$ is worse than shoving

dunno, seemed good to me but then again I never 4b light

how much would you make it?

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02-28-2011 , 11:23 PM

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RaiseDaAce

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Originally Posted by dontsoff

Verneer talked about 4bet shoving with ppr vs a habitual 3bettor.
But I try to 4bet as a bluff with KQ, Ax, AJ, as there is lower variance, that 3bettor has nuts.

verneer?!

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02-28-2011 , 11:38 PM

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DaycareInferno

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i think its ok. the reason you dont want to 4bet is that you dont want some monkey thinking they have any fe when you have a hand like 66 that flips with a lot of random crap. in this case his 3b is really big anyway, so if you did 4bet something, like KK or whatever, it would be more like $3 sizing.

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02-28-2011 , 11:47 PM

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WhiteWolf

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Originally Posted by ionutd

dunno, seemed good to me but then again I never 4b light

how much would you make it?

Ideally, a 4bet should be to about 25-30% of the effective stack size. This gives us maximal leverage without actually committing us to call a 5bet push. For example, if we did 4bet to 4 here and BB pushed, we would be committed as we would only need 30% equity to call (we're 35% against AA-QQ,AK).

In this hand, BB's squeeze is so large we can't credibly 4bet bluff small here and should either fold or push (I think we should fold, pending more info on the sample sizes those stats are over).

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03-01-2011 , 05:04 AM

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Ligic

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Originally Posted by ionutd

dunno, seemed good to me but then again I never 4b light

how much would you make it?

shove or make it around 2.5

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03-01-2011 , 05:30 AM

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Falcone

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If his stats are anywhere close to accurate, and you don't think he'll call too light, this is fine. I don't feel like doing the math right now, but he doesn't have to fold *that* often to be able to do this profitably.

In any case, with this particular hand shove > 4bet small.

There's obviously nothing wrong with just folding, either.

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03-01-2011 , 10:53 AM

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RaiseDaAce

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Originally Posted by Falcone

stats are from pokertracker.

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03-01-2011 , 10:54 AM

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Onasaz

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I rate your play at 2 stars out of 5.

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03-01-2011 , 10:56 AM

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kidacao

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if he doesnt have a call range, minraise any2 on the BTN and fold to 3bets so you dont have to do this.

hes the one spazzing dont play at his level

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03-01-2011 , 10:58 AM

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Noppey

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I think this play is fine.

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