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10-21-2009 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JH1
In before Indy.
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Originally Posted by CBukowski
maybe he's on vacation.
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Originally Posted by xxMaquiladoraxx
His spidey sense must be broken
I think you missed some recent developments - I now work for PokerStars.

And you're doing well w/out me anyway
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10-21-2009 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by indianaV8
I think you missed some recent developments - I now work for PokerStars.

And you're doing well w/out me anyway
Good. Errr...I think. I hope this isn't some diabolical long term plan to get the inside track on Stars anti-bot security measures.
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10-21-2009 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by indianaV8
I think you missed some recent developments - I now work for PokerStars.

And you're doing well w/out me anyway
too funny.
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10-21-2009 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by angry_man
Good. Errr...I think. I hope this isn't some diabolical long term plan to get the inside track on Stars anti-bot security measures.
Umm, I think that Stars has the reverse in mind.
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10-21-2009 , 03:22 PM
Atleast stars are checking for bots at all levels.

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10-21-2009 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by indianaV8
I think you missed some recent developments - I now work for PokerStars.

And you're doing well w/out me anyway


Soooo have they taken you in the secret room and shown you the giant doom switch yet?? lol
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10-21-2009 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by indianaV8
I think you missed some recent developments - I now work for PokerStars.

And you're doing well w/out me anyway
got a link to your backstory?
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10-21-2009 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Umm, I think that Stars has the reverse in mind.
Ooh, cunning.

They're going to load him up with false info and have him help design a system they only pretend they're going to use, let him loose in the expectation he'll reveal how to get around it to the bot-making community, then trap those trying to use those exploits.

Even more ingenious.
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10-21-2009 , 05:53 PM
I 24 table and i have 5k HH with OZN2007terra, that guy is on from 4PM to 10 PM nonstop, I take breaks.
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10-21-2009 , 06:38 PM
6 hours in a row isn't that hard to do, even 24 tabling. I don't see why that would make him/it a bot..
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10-21-2009 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DamienT
6 hours in a row isn't that hard to do, even 24 tabling. I don't see why that would make him/it a bot..
I'm confident that he's been on more than 6 hours a day. EVERYDAY. Like he earns more money playing 2nl than a minimum wage job or something.
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10-21-2009 , 08:31 PM
check out nexxxa
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10-21-2009 , 08:35 PM
I don't think its possible to achieve supernova playing 5cents nl.
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Originally Posted by Men"the master"fan
Wow, Jiulangs' win-rate is .92 BB/100 absolutely sucks even 24 tabling. A lot of these players are from SE Asia where the cost of living is much less. I do not think they are bots. I have wondered about one or two accounts if the account was being played by more than one person since the account was playing for 16 hours plus per day over the course of multiple-days many times. I would assume to gain VIP benefits for Supernova bonuses.
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10-22-2009 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-star
Atleast stars are checking for bots at all levels.

wtf? new?

I really don't see the point of this besides the fact that someone has to be physically at their computer.
****, I'm sure someone could be browsing interwebs or watching tv or w.e. and set up their program to set off an alarm sound whenever this popped up if they were running an automated system. Would be more of an annoyance imo.
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10-27-2009 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JH1
wtf? new?

I really don't see the point of this besides the fact that someone has to be physically at their computer.
****, I'm sure someone could be browsing interwebs or watching tv or w.e. and set up their program to set off an alarm sound whenever this popped up if they were running an automated system. Would be more of an annoyance imo.
lol. they could just go to decaptcher.com and have each of the captcha's solved for $.0002 by foreigners who sit at a computer all day and type in made up words
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10-28-2009 , 02:35 AM
these hardcore asian nit grinders are taking over 25nl. i kept starting new tables and all 20 of them had 3+ guys from Qionghai
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10-28-2009 , 03:26 AM
There's a guy that goes by the name World153 on PS .02/.05 who plays like a bot -- volume, time spent, stats. But I've seen him go berserk in chat after a horrible beat. I think these sorts of users are just hardcore grinders that are trying to eek out a profit with very little risk of ruin.
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10-28-2009 , 04:01 AM
taken from the msnl reg forum:

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Originally Posted by pattay
Hello Patrick,

The player 'jiuliang' and others from from Hua Zhou, China are part of a
Poker School run by a PokerStars affiliate. The establishment is a retail
outlet (similar to a strip mall) with several computers set up to allow
customers to come in, get set up, and play on PokerStars even though they
may not have their own computer, or a credit card to fund their account.
The school also offers lessons in poker play, and in how to play multiple
tables at once.

Our affiliates team watches this group closely to ensure that they cannot
play at the same tables as one another, and that they are not sharing
information. There are many more than 30 customers of this retail outlet,
which is a unique concept to China due to the difficulty in getting funds
onto the site from that region of the world. Each player provides photo ID,
and we check their play via our bot detection tools. They do not seem to be
running bots, and all players from there appear to be human by every test we
have designed.

There is nothing of concern regarding these players, though we do continue
to keep an eye on them to make sure that this remains the case.

I hope this has answered your question completely. Please do not hesitate
to let us know any time you need anything.

Best Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security
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10-28-2009 , 04:23 AM
I just want to say, these guys might be a Chinese based Pokerstars partners, but I work EXTENSIVELY with Chinese companies and sooo many people are dodgy. We constantly have legal battles with sister and partner companies rebranding our product and selling it as there own.

So yes I just said, I don't trust any form of Chinese 'partner' internet kiosks. Collusion is guaranteed and that's the LEAST we could hope for. Bot are just next door, if not already active.
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10-28-2009 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rafdogg2000
these hardcore asian nit grinders are taking over 25nl. i kept starting new tables and all 20 of them had 3+ guys from Qionghai
I reported those guys. Maybe they're just grinders but there were 5 of them last night from either Qionghai or 'QH' and they were only sitting at tables with at least one of the others.
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10-30-2009 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by pattay
Hello Patrick,

The player 'jiuliang' and others from from Hua Zhou, China are part of a
Poker School run by a PokerStars affiliate. The establishment is a retail
outlet (similar to a strip mall) with several computers set up to allow
customers to come in, get set up, and play on PokerStars even though they
may not have their own computer, or a credit card to fund their account.
The school also offers lessons in poker play, and in how to play multiple
tables at once.

Our affiliates team watches this group closely to ensure that they cannot
play at the same tables as one another, and that they are not sharing
information. There are many more than 30 customers of this retail outlet,
which is a unique concept to China due to the difficulty in getting funds
onto the site from that region of the world. Each player provides photo ID,
and we check their play via our bot detection tools. They do not seem to be
running bots, and all players from there appear to be human by every test we
have designed.

There is nothing of concern regarding these players, though we do continue
to keep an eye on them to make sure that this remains the case.

I hope this has answered your question completely. Please do not hesitate
to let us know any time you need anything.

Best Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security
I don't understand. Does this means that many different physical players play behind one account? That's breaking the rules of one human - one nickname.

If that's not the case (it's one human behind one account) then how such humans can make 20,000 hands per day in an outlet?

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10-30-2009 , 11:32 AM
No it just means there's a bunch of people that play at this one location because:

a) they receive coaching from the affiliate
b) they probably don't have their own computer/internet

They each provide ID and each have their own Stars account.

The affiliate doesn't make any money if everyone's on one account. He needs the signups. I'd be more worried about multi-accounting going on than multiple players on one account.

Take a look at the old WoW gold farmer idea if you don't think people are capable of this.



20,000 hands of 25nl @ 1 ptBB/100 over 15 hours 24 tabling = $100 and is a damn nice wage compared to what they would get anywhere else, even if the affiliate took 1/2. Find some people that play/learn well and put up significant winrates and you have yourself a nice little business. iirc the company I work for pays Chinese labourers something like $2-$3 per hour and that's considered above average (if what they tell me is true).

These people have work ethic, I mean, 24 hour video game sessions are not at all uncommon if some news stories I've read are somewhat true. And now to get paid for it? Sick bonus.

Last edited by JH1; 10-30-2009 at 11:52 AM.
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10-30-2009 , 05:05 PM
I remember someone forward me an article about a guy in china that died while playing a 3 days session of poker. The article said internet cafe and in my mind I was thinking like the U.S. style internet cafe..not a farm like above.
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10-30-2009 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
However, recklessly accusing players of being a bot without proof is unfair. Playing 120k hands a month at 24 tabling is only 80 or so hours a month of play. While most players don't, this forum has players that can do this and often will do it. That is insufficient proof. If someone was putting in 600k-700k hands a month, then you could start building a case.
It could also be a team of players. Although at 2NL, you don't earn enough FPPs to justify teaming.

As for bots not getting caught: I would think you could have a human minder run 100 bots. The minder would deal with captchas and related bot detections.
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10-30-2009 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JH1
These people have work ethic, I mean, 24 hour video game sessions are not at all uncommon if some news stories I've read are somewhat true. And now to get paid for it? Sick bonus.
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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD
I remember someone forward me an article about a guy in china that died while playing a 3 days session of poker. The article said internet cafe and in my mind I was thinking like the U.S. style internet cafe..not a farm like above.
dying -- that sucks. I totally respect their work ethic as long as nothing unethical (like botting or collusion) is going on. Short stacking sucks but that problem is of the poker sites making.

I really hope PokerStars security is a devoted to preserving legitimate competition and I think they are. They seem like the sort of chaps who "get it" that they shouldn't kill the golden goose (or standby while it is killed).
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