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Old 05-08-2009, 12:26 AM   #626
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How long would you guys estimate FTOPs#9 to go approximately, assuming 1k-2k field? Ball parkish.. Cuz I have no idea.
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Old 05-08-2009, 12:36 AM   #627
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thatts awesome sejje how you doing? just training and diet?
90% diet. It's in my plans to begin a solid jogging regimen, but the weather here has been nasty for the entire week.

I don't have a problem starving myself, which apparently some people do. I cut down to about 1,000 calories per day and the weight drops really quick.

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How long would you guys estimate FTOPs#9 to go approximately, assuming 1k-2k field? Ball parkish.. Cuz I have no idea.
I'd expect each round to take about an hour until the last 3-4 rounds, which will probably average 40 minutes.
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Old 05-08-2009, 12:38 AM   #628
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That hand posted above ^^

I agree with Past, it's a shove pre imo.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:08 AM   #629
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This is only because you're able to fold the worst hand a larger proportion of the time (otherwise, you'd have sufficient equity to call the shove anyway).

Seeing the flop gives you information (which you can exploit to your advantage), the main downside of which is it also gives your opponent information (which he can exploit to his advantage). However, if your opponent plays more or less the same regardless of the flop, you're freerolling.
If I understand you correctly, you are essentially proposing that against an extreme villain who 3-bets very wide and auto-shoves any flop (in a stack-to-blind scenario similar to the one spamz0r posted), it might be better than shoving to call preflop and then call his shove on any flop where our equity against a random hand is equal to or better than the pot odds being offered?

Or is there some other basis for selecting which flops we call his shoves on? I suppose if we are actually able to assign him a range (maybe one heavy on 'air' and lighter on 'value'?), we can do a better job picking flops to call on than by comparing ourselves to a random hand.

Anyway, having said all that, I'm still very unsure about (albeit impressed by the audacity of) spamz0r's move, and would myself always shove with A6 there.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:55 AM   #630
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How long would you guys estimate FTOPs#9 to go approximately, assuming 1k-2k field? Ball parkish.. Cuz I have no idea.
10 hours assuming #9 is the HU one.
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If I understand you correctly, you are essentially proposing that against an extreme villain who 3-bets very wide and auto-shoves any flop (in a stack-to-blind scenario similar to the one spamz0r posted), it might be better than shoving to call preflop and then call his shove on any flop where our equity against a random hand is equal to or better than the pot odds being offered?

Or is there some other basis for selecting which flops we call his shoves on? I suppose if we are actually able to assign him a range (maybe one heavy on 'air' and lighter on 'value'?), we can do a better job picking flops to call on than by comparing ourselves to a random hand.

Anyway, having said all that, I'm still very unsure about (albeit impressed by the audacity of) spamz0r's move, and would myself always shove with A6 there.
It's nothing to do with Villain's 3betting range, it's his call-a-shove range versus shove-flop range. If they're both 100% of his 3betting range then flatting strictly dominates shoving, since Villain gets the money in all the time but you get more information before you choose whether to commit or not. It's unlikely you'll get exactly this scenario but you may get close approximations of it. As those proportions decrease from 100% (particularly the latter) you still get situations where it is correct to flat A6 but they gradually become more difficult to determine this.

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Old 05-08-2009, 02:08 AM   #633
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It would be so nice to run AT expectation. Hopefully the rungood will come during the 5/10+ part of my career.

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Old 05-08-2009, 03:21 AM   #634
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played HU for the first time in like 5 weeks, first won a 345$ then pwned alfiosnob in a 500$, took 2 hands. feels nice. would be nice if i could run like that all the time
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:47 AM   #635
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I run sooooooooooooo good!!!!!!!!! FML.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
$50 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN moocher T (1610)
BB Hero (1390)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BB 9 9
moocher T calls 10, Hero raises to 80, moocher T calls 60

Flop: 4 5 6 (160, 2 players)
Hero bets 120, moocher T goes all-in 1,530, Hero goes all-in 1,190

Turn: K (3,000, 2 players)

River: 7 (3,000, 2 players)

Final Pot: 2,780
moocher T shows: 8 5
Hero shows: 9 9

moocher T wins 3,000 ( won +1,390 )
Hero lost -1,390



No Limit Holdem Tournament
$50 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN Hero (1480)
BB badbeater777 (1520)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN 8 4
Hero raises to 60, badbeater777 calls 40

Flop: 2 T A (120, 2 players)
badbeater777 checks, Hero bets 80, badbeater777 raises to 220, Hero raises to 480, badbeater777 goes all-in 1,460, Hero goes all-in 940

Turn: 6 (3,000, 2 players)

River: A (3,000, 2 players)

Final Pot: 2,960
Hero shows: 8 4
badbeater777 shows: A 2

badbeater777 wins 3,000 ( won +1,480 )
Hero lost -1,480


No Limit Holdem Tournament
$50 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN Hero (680)
BB looleebell (2320)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN T J
Hero raises to 60, looleebell raises to 180, Hero calls 120

Flop: J T 8 (360, 2 players)
looleebell goes all-in 2,140, Hero goes all-in 500

Turn: 6 (3,000, 2 players)

River: K (3,000, 2 players)

Final Pot: 1,360
Hero shows: T J
looleebell shows: A Q

looleebell wins 3,000 ( won +680 )
Hero lost -680


No Limit Holdem Tournament
$50 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN Hero (1400)
BB tbagmckee (1600)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN A J
Hero raises to 60, tbagmckee goes all-in 1,600, Hero goes all-in 1,340

Flop: 7 3 Q (3,000, 2 players)

Turn: K (3,000, 2 players)

River: Q (3,000, 2 players)

Final Pot: 2,800
Hero shows: A J
tbagmckee shows: 5 K

tbagmckee wins 3,000 ( won +1,400 )
Hero lost -1,400


No Limit Holdem Tournament
$50 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN Hero (1130)
BB looleebell (1870)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN T T
Hero raises to 60, looleebell raises to 180, Hero goes all-in 1,130, looleebell calls 950

Flop: 7 T J (2,260, 2 players)

Turn: A (2,260, 2 players)

River: 9 (2,260, 2 players)

Final Pot: 2,260
Hero shows: T T
looleebell shows: 8 8

looleebell wins 2,260 ( won +1,130 )
Hero lost -1,130


weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.............
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:50 AM   #636
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Matt - My eyes might be hurting but didn't the best hand win in all of those hands?

It might shock you....but the best hand wins on Stars too...
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:11 AM   #637
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taking shots in 5k and running unreal bad against Mike Matusow is not fun

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Old 05-08-2009, 06:32 AM   #638
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mike matusow runs worse than anyone how can that be true?
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Old 05-08-2009, 07:14 AM   #639
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the hand with spamz, no way are we folding QT2,K95,J72 etc... only flops we hate and are folding to are 9TJ,9JK,9TQ etc etc etc, shoving pre is always going to be plus ev due to spamz reads but what gains you the most EV is what matters, if villian was going to 3bet call it off then yeah shipping pre and it shouldnt be close really. but if villian here is going to be shipping every flop when we flat and folding to a shove pre then i prefer spamz line here by a fair bit
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:20 AM   #641
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lol, was debating the call or the shove on turn.. if I knew he calls me this light lol....



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Hero (BTN/SB): t1425 M = 31.67
BB: t1575 M = 35

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with A A
Hero raises to t75, BB calls t45

Flop: (t150) K A 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t90, BB raises to t180, Hero calls t90

Turn: (t510) Q (2 players)
BB bets t420, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to t1170 all in, BB calls t750

River: (t2850) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2850
Hero shows A A (three of a kind, Aces)
BB shows 4 T (a pair of Fours)
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:24 AM   #642
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lol, was debating the call or the shove on turn.. if I knew he calls me this light lol....



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Hero (BTN/SB): t1425 M = 31.67
BB: t1575 M = 35

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with A A
Hero raises to t75, BB calls t45

Flop: (t150) K A 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t90, BB raises to t180, Hero calls t90

Turn: (t510) Q (2 players)
BB bets t420, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to t1170 all in, BB calls t750

River: (t2850) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2850
Hero shows A A (three of a kind, Aces)
BB shows 4 T (a pair of Fours)
Hero wins t2850
why don't you just flat the turn man? that may work at $11s but seriously you should just try flatting there imo

or did you know he was gonna call with a gutshot?
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why don't you just flat the turn man? that may work at $11s but seriously you should just try flatting there imo

or did you know he was gonna call with a gutshot?
I think he calls with K, any pair + gutter, a flush draw, he is really bad and spewy.. -39% ROI.. he is super loose
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ah well in that case go for it...

just be mindful that not everyone is gonna spew so hard into you
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if villian was going to 3bet call it off then yeah shipping pre and it shouldnt be close really. but if villian here is going to be shipping every flop when we flat and folding to a shove pre then i prefer spamz line here by a fair bit
Even if he was always calling a shove, flatting can still be better. You get it in good when he calls with 95s, but you also get it good when he shoves the flop with it, so there's no loss.
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does anybody else notice that the clock dropped to 15s instead of the original60 seconds on stars?
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does anybody else notice that the clock dropped to 15s instead of the original60 seconds on stars?
Hmm, I did sent a complaint about the time bank difference between 2-mans and 4-mans. I guess they resolved it by cutting it down in 2-mans.
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Just found this list, and omg everything on there is so true it's scary!!


You know you're Swiss IF...

1. you complain if your bus/train/tram is more than 5 minutes late. Make that 1 minute...
2. you've ever been confused with a Swede (I friggin' hate that!!!)
3. you laugh when Americans believe that Swiss Miss is a Swiss product, but then have no clue that Nestlé and Rolex ARE
4. you get frustrated if you go grocery shopping abroad and there aren't at least 10 different kinds of chocolate and 15 kinds of cheese available
5. you have learned three to four languages and think this is completely normal
6. you have ever been asked - upon stating your nationality - whether you live in the mountains and whether you can yodel
7. you can pronounce "Chuchichäschtli" and you know what it means
8. you have ever been asked who the president of Switzerland is and then failed miserably trying to explain why you've lost track (changes every year, lol...democracy ftw)
9. you know what "Röschti" are and you have crossed the "Röschtigrabe" at some point
10. you went to a state-funded ski camp every year with your classmates in high school
11. to you, skis are like the extensions of your feet, because you've skied since you could walk
12. you are amused when people ask you what language is spoken in your home country and/or you have to explain that "Swiss" is not a language, that there are four national languages and none of them is called "Swiss"!
13. you owned a Swatch growing up... or still do
14. you've ever seen "Sandmännchen" dubbed into Romansch
15. as a female, you give all your friends three kisses on the cheeks as a greeting
16. you love Migros and you swear that some of their products are better than anything you've ever seen elsewhere
17. you've ever been asked by your non-Swiss friends to intervene in a fight and used "hey, I'm Swiss" as an excuse not to
18. your country has six different public television channels in three different languages - and you don't think this is unusual
19. you get amused when you see Swiss German people being subtitled on German television (lol Germans)
20. you firmly believe it is more important to do things accurately than to do them quickly
21. you were legally allowed to drink beer and wine at the age of sixteen
22. you walked to kindergarten without supervision, wearing a large orange triangle around your neck
23. you think it's normal that everyone has a bunker underneath their house, or is registered for one of the public bunkers under the school building, for emergency situations... by the way, here's a fun thing to do: invite over some of your foreign friends (Americans make very good candidates) and take a picture of the look on their face when they SEE the bunker. Priceless!
24. when being asked to explain how certain things work in your country, you have to use the phrase "it differs for each canton, so..."
25. you are asked to vote on a "Referendum" or "Initiative" at least 3 or 4 times a year
26. you are used to drinking from any public fountain in the street unless there is a warning sign that says "no drinking water"
27. you grew up believing all cows must wear bells
28. you think that driving somewhere for four hours is a hell of a long time
29. you get slightly irritated or at least confused if your foreign visitors ask to see a chocolate factory
30. you know what Betty Bossi books and products are and have bought one
31. you know someone that collects the tin foil lids from coffee cream tubs
32. you don't see where the problem is when every male citizen who has been to the army has an assault rifle under his bed (at least we don't go all ape**** just because we have guns...)
33. you have to pay twice the price for museum entries because you're not a citizen of the EU, although you live in Europe!
34. you are in a non-European country and can hear people talking Swiss German and just go up and strike up a conversation with a complete stranger
35. no matter how much of a "bad-ass" you think you are, you will still pick up your candy wrapper off the floor if an old lady asks you too
36. you think everything is cheap abroad compared to Swiss prices!

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Hmm, I did sent a complaint about the time bank difference between 2-mans and 4-mans. I guess they resolved it by cutting it down in 2-mans.
weak play by stars IMO.
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