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08-06-2022 , 05:37 PM
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($46.17) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 23.8% | AGG: 37.8% | Flop Agg: 45.2% | Turn Agg: 34.2% | River Agg: 35% | 3-Bet: 11.1% | 4-Bet: 14.9% | Hands: 63125]
BTN ($25.50) [VPIP: 4% | PFR: 4% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 25]
SB ($24.75) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 41.2% | Hands: 64]
BB ($60.30) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 10.1% | AGG: 53.8% | Flop Agg: 40% | Turn Agg: 55.6% | River Agg: 71.4% | 3-Bet: 3.6% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 18.8% | Hands: 71]
UTG ($33.08) [VPIP: 33.8% | PFR: 26.5% | AGG: 39.1% | Hands: 71]
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 5.6% | PFR: 5.6% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 18]

Dealt to Hero: 9 7

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [28.39 effective]
Flop ($1.60): K 6 K
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.50 (Rem. Stack: $44.92), BB Calls $0.50 (Rem. Stack: $59.05)

Turn ($2.60): K 6 K 4
BB Bets $1.50 (Rem. Stack: $57.55), HERO Calls $1.50 (Rem. Stack: $43.42)

River ($5.60): K 6 K 4 6
BB Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: $54.55), HERO Raises To $14.32 (Rem. Stack: $29.10)
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08-06-2022 , 05:59 PM
River is misplayed. Sizing is too big he probably has enough FH combos to make this bluff -ev, blockers are also pretty bad.
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08-07-2022 , 01:59 AM
I might raise turn but flatting is also fine, would just fold river
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08-07-2022 , 07:15 AM
You block exactly zero combos of hands that will call and it's not really a spot where people overfold either.
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08-07-2022 , 08:23 AM
It feels like villain wouldn't do this with a K, and you can credibly rep one so I think it's ok, timing tells would be useful too. But they could have a 6 and call it off.
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08-07-2022 , 08:58 AM
Preflop
Standard open. 3X is a bit large in modern online cash games, but if you always do this, no big deal.

Flop
Small C-bet seem fine. Usually we dont want to use big sizings on paired boards. If you can get some random hands like JT offsuit to fold, thats a tremendously good outcome already.

Turn
Donk bets are always kind of weird, especially when they happen on cards, that dont change the texture. So what could he be doing this with? I think, KX makes some sense. Maybe he see the second flush draw and wants to make sure, you dont check back turn. Or he could have a hand, that picked it up, and now he is bluffing. I think, medium strength hands like 6X or 77-QQ are less likely. For that reason I will rule out raising. While it would be good to make his flushdraws fold, its probably not going to happen, and he is obviously never folding trips. Its also kind of close, if I even want to call this donk bet. Yes you have position, but you are not getting direct odds to call, and your implied odds are kind of questionable, because you are not drawing to the nuts. Some percentage of the time the river will be a card like Th giving you a flush, but this just sets you up to lose a massive pot to his KT or his A4 of hearts. So I would not hate just folding here and continue with some hands, that have more showdown value like medium pocket pairs or AQ/AJ. But ok you call, and I dont think, thats a significant mistake either.

River
You obviously cant call with 9 high, so the question is, do you want to raise as a bluff? With no showdown value bluffing the river is always something, we should at least consider. And I do think, you can tell a convincing story here. If you had a K with a weak kicker, you would most likely play it exactly like this. Call turn, because raising would be an overplay, but then raise now, that you essentially rivered the nuts. However its also important to think about, what you are trying to make him fold. And here I think, the answer is only his busted draws and other random bluffs, that beat your 9 high. And you probably dont need to go full pot to achieve that. Trying to make him fold a 6 is to ambitious, and if he was not leading turn with hands like 88, he can not have them now. So if I was to bluff, I would make it smaller like maybe 9 dollars. But you also need to consider, how his range is comprised. Even a 9$ raise need to work 50% of the time, and is he really bluffing that often? I am not sure, so I think, I just give up and fold.
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08-07-2022 , 09:38 AM
I'm not thrilled that he bets 3 on the river as if he bet bigger I'd feel more comfortable about his bluffing frequency, but your raise is way too much given either he has a full house and snaps you off or has air. Just raise to something like 8 - you don't have to win the hand as often to be profitable, and trying to get a 6 to fold probably won't happen
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08-08-2022 , 11:45 AM
Thanks for the opinion's everyone.

I disagree with a lot of what was said but that's what makes the world go around.

I don't think blockers are a very useful data point in general and line/sizing is way more relevant.

You guys might be right that sizing is a bit too big but I am trying to make Ax indifferent here and I felt like if I went smaller he just calls it off.
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08-08-2022 , 01:57 PM
That sounded like PokerDexot analysis
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08-08-2022 , 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I don't think blockers are a very useful data point in general and line/sizing is way more relevant.
Hmm...sounds like we are about to get into MDA. How come you never mention this in other threads?
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