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10-19-2021 , 04:05 PM

DooDooPoker

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Bovada / Ignition, Hold'em No Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 5 players

Seat 5 (UTG): $100.00 (100 bb)
Seat 6 (CO): $89.50 (90 bb)
Seat 1 (BU): $115.20 (115 bb)
Seat 2 (SB): $92.38 (92 bb)
Hero (BB): $101.74 (102 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (Hero) is BB with 8♣ 7♥
3 players fold, Seat 2 (SB) raises to $3, Hero (BB) 3-bets to $9, Seat 2 (SB) calls $6

Flop: ($18) T♥ 5♠ 6♠ (2 players)
Seat 2 (SB) checks, Hero (BB) checks

Turn: ($18) 6♦ (2 players)
Seat 2 (SB) bets $12.83, Hero (BB) calls $12.83

River: ($43.66) Q♣ (2 players)
Seat 2 (SB) bets $26.11, Hero (BB) raises to $79.91 (all-in)

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10-19-2021 , 04:27 PM

newguyhere

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If you were in SB's shoes, would you expect BB to raise their 6x on the turn?

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10-19-2021 , 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

If you were in SB's shoes, would you expect BB to raise their 6x on the turn?

Not usually. I wouldn't have much of a turn raising range here it has too many implications for river.

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10-19-2021 , 05:05 PM

Donkeybets

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Why not bet flop? I don’t understand what we are doing or trying to accomplish w this line, can you explain please?

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10-19-2021 , 05:11 PM

Anjunbeats

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Mhhh what do you expect him to fold what you dont beat anyway. Dont think most regulars bet Tx every time.

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10-19-2021 , 05:16 PM

Flpmethntsdlr

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Pre is standard or mix?

Your flop check is brilliant. Other level stuff.

I think you are still uncapped at the river plus the attack of his thin value bet sizing tell. he almost never has a strong hand. Again, other level stuff. You had this planned ott.

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10-19-2021 , 05:21 PM

JohnRusty

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Originally Posted by Anjunbeats

Mhhh what do you expect him to fold what you dont beat anyway. Dont think most regulars bet Tx every time.

Plenty of bluffs that beat us at showdown

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10-19-2021 , 05:26 PM

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I like it. People are too Aggro in BVB spots once the PF aggressor chrcks

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10-19-2021 , 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr

It's like 98% called lol. I think I should just call in the future but I usually go high card left/alphabetical suit to randomize preflop so this made the 3bet.

This one ended up working - he folded ATo.

I figured my suits were good blocking 6x so river was mandatory.

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10-19-2021 , 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Donkeybets

Why not bet flop? I don’t understand what we are doing or trying to accomplish w this line, can you explain please?

It's mixed small. We want villain to have 88/77 so not a great cbet candidate - prob low frequency and obv. better with a spade.

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10-19-2021 , 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

I like it. People are too Aggro in BVB spots once the PF aggressor chrcks

Yeah I agree. I think checking back a hand like TT might over perform vs betting.

Although on the other hand, people don't defend enough vs 1/3 as SB so cbetting works very well. Probably can get away with playing your hand more in these spots.

I always wonder which street to exploit - I can over perform OTF with a cbet but I might make more $ by waiting until the river to exploit since people make more mistakes on that street.

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10-19-2021 , 06:20 PM

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This would be simple fold for me otr. When we bluff raise the riv we usually should do it with top of our folding range unless hand has some really good blocker effects which this one doesn't imo.

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10-19-2021 , 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Not totally sure but I think there's merit to exploiting more on later streets as IP, and exploiting more on earlier streets as OOP. I like to do a lot of bluff x/r as SB in BVB SRPs because people will kind of just stab with ATC and then fold.

This is kind of what I was getting at the other day when I said I still bluff a fair amount, I just try to pick my spots better. So more spots where I think there's a sizing tell/capped range, and less suicide triple barrel bluffing

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10-19-2021 , 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

This would be simple fold for me otr. When we bluff raise the riv we usually should do it with top of our folding range unless hand has some really good blocker effects which this one doesn't imo.

We block 6x which is pretty important.

Folding seems fine too but I'd rather over bluff OTR in general.

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10-20-2021 , 09:37 AM

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Donkeybets

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

It's mixed small. We want villain to have 88/77 so not a great cbet candidate - prob low frequency and obv. better with a spade.

We are blocking the hands you are mentioning, our hand is a bluff I don’t see why not C-bet here to clean up equity. What does solver say? When we check behing arn’t we giving his overcards a free turn card?

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10-20-2021 , 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Donkeybets

Solver mostly checks.

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10-20-2021 , 09:45 AM

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what pre-flop ranges did you input? I wanted to take a look myself, I'm trying to get better at GTO. Is there some sort of chart you guys know of that is good for this blind versus blind?

EDIT: I input some ranges and it was split between betting and checking with 87s.

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10-20-2021 , 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Donkeybets

Just use GTO Wizard. You get 1 free hand per day.

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10-20-2021 , 10:18 AM

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This may be a dumb question, but how are you guys finding out what people had when they fold? I use PT4 and play on Pokerstars and am not aware of a way to see hole cards of the people who folded. Thanks-

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10-20-2021 , 10:20 AM

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Donkeybets

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Just use GTO Wizard. You get 1 free hand per day.

GTO wizard has some wide ranges I think sometimes at 500nl basic. 87o is not in it's range here for BB for your pre-flop line. When I input some ranges of both players have good big cards, some suited connectors and pairs while discounting the best made hands in SB's range like AA-QQ and AK, solver has 8h-7c betting 2/3 here 50% frequency and checking 46% of the time.

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10-20-2021 , 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 0NoobiePoker0

Ignition let's you see all hole cards after 24 hours

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10-20-2021 , 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Ignition let's you see all hole cards after 24 hours

Ah OK, that's a nice feature.

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10-20-2021 , 01:33 PM

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If you're getting to the river this way with this holding, I don't think you can not jam. You have a decent amount of value, some 6x, QT and sets, and you block the most 6x you realistically can. Villain isn't too likely to have a Q, so I also reckon villain will probably end up overfolding to a jam. Pre I think is an occasional play, and flop I like betting with this, but both options seem fine.

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