[converted_hand][hand_history]PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $50.68 (202.7 bb)
Hero (SB): $51.51 (206 bb)
BB: $68.51 (274 bb)
UTG: $70.33 (281.3 bb)
MP: $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $65.31 (261.2 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K K
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $3.25, fold, CO raises to $7.50, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($15.25, 2 players) 2 T 2
Hero checks, CO bets $6.03, Hero calls $6.03

Turn: ($27.31, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets $51.78 and is all-in

Seems pretty absurd, no stats on villain.

I think you should jam this pre even 200bb deep.

Ap raise flop. If he has AA you'll about to lose 50$ and there is no way around it, so just focus on maximizing vs othere parts of his range. Mainly QQ/JJ Tx.

Turn not nice spot but you should have profitable call.

In theory you jam preflop, get called by JJ or AKo, easy game. I don't know if it works in practice honestly.

As played I would snapcall, not having a spade I think is good in this situation, it's highly unlikely did 4bet TT or 99 preflop, should not have a 2... Only AA beats you and I think still 200bb deep KK < AA is just a cooler.

edit : meh, HZ was faster

At what BB are non-shove 5bets triggered here? 250? 300?

I don't think v's line is absurd with nut combos, annoyingly. But I can't find a fold either. Goodbye BB

Nothing to add on the actual hand but I typically rathole when I go over 150bb in order that I don't end up on these kinds of parts of the game tree.

As played go with it.

Your 3bet seems too big pre. 4.3x IP? And vs 3x open too. $2.25-$2.50 seems better. You are missing out on getting called by a wider range when you go smaller. And with your lighter 3bets you are isolating him to stronger range and giving yourself a bad price to take it down pre.

I think we get over-folds when we 5bet jam or 5bet click back, but I still think 5bet is going to be better than flatting pre.

Jamming pre sounds like the worst option to me.

200bb he gets away from AK/QQ if we jam preflop, especially after a small 4bet. I like jamming preflop with AK.

I think folding is worse.

It isn't clear that someone would jam AA on the turn because that seems like the worst possible play, but even if he does it half the time, he only needs to do this with 1-3 worse combos than KK. One combo of AKss and QQ is enough if he has 3 of AA to make this a call. If he always jams AA, then he only needs AKss and 3-QQ to make this a winning call.

haha you're right folding is definitely worse.

Jaming pre KK on 25nl deep is stupid we're always gonna run into AA and KK and not much else pre.The pool is so nitty that it makes no sense without info.As played just call and thats it.Folding is abit too nity he might show up with TT or AA ,but he can show up with AQs AKs etc which we're ahead of and sometimes QQ doubt hes shoving JJ like that.

Shoving pre makes him fold JJ /QQ most of the time and we're going to end up against a range of AA/KK/AKs sometimes which is not amazing postflop we can outplay him.

At 25NL 200bb Ante im shoving pre and getting AK and QQ to call every time. Flatting lets them get away from the hand. I've been told 25nl Rush is a nitfest though and they'll fold them hands to that line.

I'm oop and as we are so deep I sized up very slightly pre

Thanks all, I actually considered folding pre as the pool is v tight and it's pretty much always aces getting 4bet this deep (are they really going to 4bet AKs/QQ then fold to a 5bet/jam? Imo they'd always flat those hands as they don't want to get 5bet)

I thought I'd call without a spade and fold with on the turn, I called and probably to nobodies surprise he had aces. I would also have 99 and TT here (maybe not 99 always) so wondering if I can just fold the turn even without a spade.

Another thing I thought 'surely nobody can actually play aces this badly', but he really did have the one hand he was repping (which seems to be a common theme, I should just fold more...)

Same chit at 10z

There are some crazy deviations from theory you can be making in these pools regarding 4bets and honestly also 3bets

Yea I think that is one of the key things I struggle with when making laydowns; I think to myself 'this seems absurdly nitty to fold so I must continue', but in reality if they aren't find many/any bluffs then I should just trust my gut.

This week I’ve been going over those spots and I’m still figuring out what’s optimal.

Few generalised things I’ve picked up,

Fish have flatted AK a number of times in BB vs my steals

BTN vs SB 4bets are insanely strong, basically KK/AA

UTG 4bets still aren’t including many if any bluffs at all despite the incentive to 4bet oop v HJ, CO & BTN, even from regs