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10-20-2021 , 10:49 PM
CO is 38/21/30, only 24 hands.

Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 120 BB
SB: 314.1 BB
BB: 120 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 159.3 BB
CO: 188.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, CO raises to 6 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 19 BB

Flop: (54 BB, 2 players) T 6 9
CO checks, Hero bets 15 BB, CO calls 15 BB

Turn: (84 BB, 2 players) 9
CO checks, Hero bets 22.5 BB, CO calls 22.5 BB

River: (129 BB, 2 players) 5
CO checks, Hero bets 57.5 BB and is all-in
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10-20-2021 , 10:51 PM
fold pre

what value hands are you targeting that you think will fold?
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10-20-2021 , 11:20 PM
Yeah, I mostly fold pre 98% of the time.

I don't expect QQ to fold. Basically I am targeting AK's/AQ's, A high clubs, KQcc, and KJcc for a chop. I need to be jamming with QQ+, TT & 99 myself so, I need a good amount of bluffs.
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10-21-2021 , 01:15 AM
I mean if we're 4-betting it's to bluff runouts like this
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10-21-2021 , 02:35 AM
We're not 4betting tho. You can justify anything with that 2% pre logic

Once they call flop and turn the game is up; they're not folding. Just like they're not folding to our huge cold 4bet. We're just praying they have a missed draw. Good luck with that.
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10-21-2021 , 04:30 AM
It seems pretty likely that this is a loose-aggressive rec player given the early stats and the weird 3bet size. But I don't see why making a massive 4x+ 4bet with a relatively weak hand with a likely reg UTG exploits him.

What I would expect from CO:

1) Being significantly more showdownbound than optimal
2) 5-betting significantly more than optimal
3) Folding to 4bets way less than optimal
4) Playing back at us post-flop significantly more than is optimal

I feel like we are punting pretty massively with this pre-flop play. Against the player I just described, we can pretty much just sit back and let him beat his head against a wall with our QQ+ and AK. I feel like this villain is going to become a very tough opponent against this type of pre-flop play with KJs. And again, we have to be worried about the reg UTG as well.

Post-flop, I am probably giving it up on the turn and just taking my free card. If he has A hi or better, he is loving the 9 pairing. Paired boards are pretty bad for bluffing recs in my experience. The bluff can't be too horrible though. We will obv fold out KQ, and he might hero fold AQ/AJ if he is in the right mood.

I mostly just dislike the pre-flop strategy.

Last edited by Unguarded; 10-21-2021 at 04:36 AM.
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10-21-2021 , 04:31 AM
I'd just stay away from bluffing someone 3betting to 6BB vs UTG
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10-21-2021 , 08:04 PM
Appreciate the feedback, folks. You basically confirmed what I already knew. Basically this was on of those spots where I get to the river and it's 4th and 40 and I just know it's gonna be a punt from the back of the end zone.

V of course snapped off river with JJ.
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10-21-2021 , 08:51 PM
even if you were going to 4bet this hand at some frequency your sizing is way too large
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10-21-2021 , 08:54 PM
So, what size do we go with JJ+ and AK against a fairly obvious recreational?
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10-21-2021 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
So, what size do we go with JJ+ and AK against a fairly obvious recreational?
against a 6bb 3 bet, IP we can even use something as small as like 13bb or 14bb, if it was a 2.5 open 7.5 3b probably 20 is good.

also just curious how you are judging them as a fairly obvious recreational when you have 24 hands on them?
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10-21-2021 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dysco
also just curious how you are judging them as a fairly obvious recreational when you have 24 hands on them?
3-bet sizing
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10-21-2021 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dysco
against a 6bb 3 bet, IP we can even use something as small as like 13bb or 14bb, if it was a 2.5 open 7.5 3b probably 20 is good.

also just curious how you are judging them as a fairly obvious recreational when you have 24 hands on them?
My question is, if we abandon crap like KJs.and go with the top of our range, why do we want to go smaller against Vs who may not fold?

And what JohnRusty said, 3b size. I mean, it could have been a misclick.
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10-21-2021 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dysco
against a 6bb 3 bet, IP we can even use something as small as like 13bb or 14bb, if it was a 2.5 open 7.5 3b probably 20 is good.
I would go much larger llke 18bb. We want to get as much value from the top of his calling range while folding out junk he'll overcall that plummets our EV on a deeper SPR flop
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