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02-10-2010 , 12:23 AM

sadistic

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 22

hey everyone! this is my first hand post. I thought I played it reasonably, but I didn't know if I should have raised on the flop or not.

BB is 17.45/8.02/1 (212)

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 526403
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP2: $1.13
Hero (CO): $0.98
BTN: $0.81
SB: $1.95
BB: $0.83
UTG: $0.86
UTG+1: $0.69
MP1: $0.23

MP1 posts a big blind ($0.02)

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO with A

2 folds, MP1 checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, BB calls $0.06, MP1 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.26) 8

(3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets $0.14 all in, Hero calls $0.14, BB calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.68) 2

(3 players - 1 is all in)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.68) 6

(3 players - 1 is all in)
BB bets $0.40, Hero folds

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02-10-2010 , 12:24 AM

mg0698

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Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 9,432

wtf this is the worst hand i ever seen played.

Bet turn, call river as played

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02-10-2010 , 12:25 AM

EraEric

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 402

This is not fullring =)
...and OMG HOW CAN YOU FOLD

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02-10-2010 , 12:32 AM

VithelTone

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,676

Couple of tips that will help you a lot.

1) Buying full
2) Raise flop and look to get all your money in
3) ???
4) Profit

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02-10-2010 , 12:50 AM

BaldAdonis

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 499

OP lost as much money in this hand as I did when I dreamed that I got oversetted by a fish.

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02-10-2010 , 01:52 AM

jakecartier3

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 13

why did you not bet the turn?
not only did you have a set of aces, you had position on the BB and should have bet. if that didnt make him fold and he still bet the 0.40 on the river you could have easily called.

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02-10-2010 , 03:23 AM

sadistic

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Originally Posted by mg0698

wtf this is the worst hand i ever seen played.

Bet turn, call river as played

Thanks, glad I made a big first impression =D

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02-10-2010 , 03:38 AM

TwoThirtyTwo

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 812

I'm never folding this hand at 2NL or anywhere else as played. Villain most likely has a K or weak A on the flop.

Raise 5xbb PF. Raise flop. As played on flop, shove turn. You have nut FD and FH draw if he has the flush. As played on turn, shove river. He has infinitely many worse hands on the river and no way he's folding anything but a bluff at that point.

Why did you fold on the river? You're only beat by a flush. You hold the Ah and the Kh is on the board to limit the hands that call from the BB with hearts. He's betting tons of hands on the river that you have beat. There's just no reason to fold there.

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02-10-2010 , 04:10 AM

Titanrulez

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Originally Posted by mg0698

wtf this is the worst hand i ever seen played.

Couldn't stop laughing, but couldn't disagree. Raise flop, bet turn, ship river. Calling flop was bad, checking turn was bad, folding river was seriouslylmaobad.

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02-10-2010 , 04:10 AM

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sadistic

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Why should I raise the flop? If he had the flush draw, wouldn't a call be more likely from the .14 than a min raise?

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02-10-2010 , 04:20 AM

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WantToLearn

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Originally Posted by sadistic

Why should I raise the flop? If he had the flush draw, wouldn't a call be more likely from the .14 than a min raise?

In the long run, you make money if he folds the flush draw. You make more money if he calls for a wrong price. You make even more money if he calls for a price that is beyond terrible for him. Give him a chance to.

Also, please include the stakes you play in the thread title.

Welcome to the forum.

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02-10-2010 , 04:22 AM

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Titanrulez

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Originally Posted by sadistic

Why should I raise the flop? If he had the flush draw, wouldn't a call be more likely from the .14 than a min raise?

A minraise? Who ever said anything about minraising? Calling here is giving him pot odds to call. You have to raise it to make him pay for his draws. As a matter of fact, I'm actually shoving this flop.

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02-10-2010 , 04:23 AM

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TwoThirtyTwo

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Originally Posted by sadistic

Why should I raise the flop? If he had the flush draw, wouldn't a call be more likely from the .14 than a min raise?

Not raising the flop isn't really that bad with us holding the Ah and villain having only 8 outs if on a FD. This being 2NL... you're getting calls and you want to get the money in the pot with the nuts, so raise it up and get that money in.

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Originally Posted by Titanrulez

He still doesn't have odds to call. He's getting under 4:1 with something like 18% to make the FD. With us holding the nut redraw to that FD, and a FH draw if he does make that flush.

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02-10-2010 , 04:25 AM

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Titanrulez

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Originally Posted by TwoThirtyTwo

This being 2NL, people are calling with TPNK. This being 2NL 6MAX, people are calling with draws. Ship it yo.

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02-10-2010 , 04:33 AM

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TwoThirtyTwo

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Originally Posted by Titanrulez

This being 2NL, people are calling with TPNK. This being 2NL 6MAX, people are calling with draws. Ship it yo.

I've never seen an 8 player 6-max table(lol), but this is exactly what I'm saying. We're getting called by so many worse hands that there isn't a reason to try to slowplay.

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