CO - 77/17 Aggro Postflop (100 hands)
BTN is a 50/x

[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $25.89 (103.6 bb)
BB: $12.35 (49.4 bb)
MP: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
CO: $42.82 (171.3 bb)
BTN: $24.50 (98 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J T
MP folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.50, BB folds, CO raises to $6.25, BTN folds, Hero calls $2.75

Flop: ($13.50) T 5 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

Turn: ($18) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8.55, Hero calls $8.55

River: ($35.10) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $25.77 and is all-in, Hero calls $8.84 and is all-in

Nice hand ? I am not sure preflop

Fold preflop and as played get it in on the flop. Top pair is the nuts in a 4bet pot, you want to deny equity to their overcards (AK, AQ...) and you can still suck out if you're behind.

Fold preflop to the 4bet o direct? Because my SQZ vs a whale and a fish with these hand is marginal maybe but I have too good odds to call the 4bet (about 18%). Postflop yes, I want to let he Bluff but push flop dont see wrong

Pre.... meh... but turn XRAI please.

Definitely not calling the 4b. Probably never squeezing because there's absolutely no fold equity and you're OOP. Might even fold to the original raise. I guess call the river at this point, but idk why you called the turn with 1/4 pot left behind.

Ty, yes is push turn, he can call with AK for sure and check back OTR if i call turn.

So my mistake is to SQZ, and then call the 4bet u say? I think that call that size of 4bet was fine but seem wrong... A cold call preflop is best than the SQZ?

I don't think squeezing or calling the 4b is good here. fish dont 4b that much, this guy has a low pfr so far, and JT makes money from fold equity, which you don't have any of against two fish/whales.

17% is a low pfr?

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17% is like an UTG open %, and we're talking about a fish/whale who has no positional awareness.

As a default I wouldn't 3bet JTs sb vs LJ, but 2 fish entered this pot so I'm trying to put money in with a good hand. Squeezing > calling > folding.

I don't see how we can fold to the 4bet getting this price. We have 29% against a range of {QQ+, AK} and we only need 26% to call. Assuming we under realize because we're OOP and make up some of that because fish is fish, I'm inclined to call.

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Pre is like the easiest call in the world against these types of players.

Call preflop u say? Not call the 4bet. Yes I think is best to call than SQZ... Imo call >Sqz>Fold. But when I SQZ ( that dont seem too good) I think again that i cant fold to that 4bet size...

The two best scenarios are everybody folds and co folds, button calls. Neither of those is possible if you call pre.

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The best case is playing multi way with 3 fish with a hand that does really well multi way.

Call >>> Squeeze >>> Fold

There's no way that playing OOP vs 2 or 3 players in a SRP, fish or not, is higher EV than squeezing. Fish are gonna call the squeeze with trash like T8o. JTs plays pretty well multiway because its a good hand. It plays pretty well heads up in raised pots too.

What I see is that this is a whale with a pretty tight PFR - some of these players I see x/3 and they're only raising their AA, KK. Some I've noticed like to throw in random hands like T3o to pull off random triple barrel bluffs. The exception, not the rule, to passive whale play of course.

They're also usually raising 3bb for these premium hands, while the more "mediocre" hands get 2.3 or 2.5.

All anecdotal..

4betting like this, they've actually filtered quite a lot, despite their whale-status.

By the river, we're looking at a range made up of QQ-AA (maybe JJ?), AK, and maybe AQ that just feels it HAS to win the pot?

Small bets could be taken as more of the missed premiums than the PPs that dominate your top pair and naturally shoving as a bluff I guess?

You're going to be playing OOP v. 2 or 3 players here when you squeeze, because they're never both folding pre, and they're almost always going to have a better hand than you in a massive pot.

That's absolutely not true. They are fish and will call with trash.

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JTs has 50% equity against a range that contains 61% of all possible hand combos.

The CO has only raised 17% of the time so far, which means it's not so likely that trash like T8o even exists here.

The Btn only has a 50% VPIP which is probably going to be a little tighter since there was a raise in front of him.

You have no fold equity preflop, so good luck with your squeeze here.

It's not like we're upset when we get called by 1 or 2 fish, our hand plays well multiway, right? 77/17 and 50/x are pure live fish, these guys might even live in my neighborhood. One or both are going to call and then they are going to fold to our cbet when they miss the flop because that's what fish do. Being the preflop aggressor with the scary range is going to make it way easier to get folds when we don't flop a value hand and we get to win more money because its a bigger pot.

Step 1: Fish puts money in the pot.
Step 2: We have a good hand.
Step 3: We make the fish put more money in the pot.
Step 4: Profit!

I will 3bet smaller pre, and fold to a squeeze from a whale mainly due to low SPR.