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02-11-2010 , 01:55 PM

ImmortalTechnique

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
($1,710)
Hero ($1,290)

Dealt to Hero J

Hero raises to $40, calls $20

FLOP ($80) 7

checks, Hero bets $60, calls $60

TURN ($200) 7

checks, Hero bets $100, raises to $500,

No reads 3rd hand in.

Last edited by ImmortalTechnique; 02-11-2010 at 02:24 PM.

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02-11-2010 , 01:59 PM

yaqh

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howd u lose 200 chips w/o getting any reads?

raise more pre

i vbet bigger on turn and think we can probably b/f, readless.

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02-11-2010 , 02:13 PM

ImmortalTechnique

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I minraise cbet TP he flats and c/r triple suited turn huge i fold

I mr open at 10/20 is that bad? Should I 2.5x instead and minraise from 20/40?

B/f is possible but I see alot of people who play Tx or stuff like A4 with some spades exactly the same way they play the 7x even with reads so was confusing.

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02-11-2010 , 02:18 PM

Yasawa

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Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique

I minraise cbet TP he flats and c/r triple suited turn huge i fold

With that earlier hand and that many draws on board I probably shove.

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02-11-2010 , 02:23 PM

livegamelive1

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IT, any chance you could use a different conversion or at least make sure to label all your threads as SNGs? I've been confused more than once at hands you've posted where it's looks like you're playing 10-20 or 20-40 NLHU.

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02-11-2010 , 02:25 PM

ImmortalTechnique

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Originally Posted by livegamelive1

Done and have started to tag them lately but sometimes forget bc I type the thread name first so I can preview.

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02-11-2010 , 02:32 PM

crimsonchin

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Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique

With that read either get it in here or check back turn

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02-11-2010 , 02:32 PM

yaqh

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Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique

I minraise cbet TP he flats and c/r triple suited turn huge i fold

so basically he took the same line as in this hand 2 hands ago. that would be a relevant read

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Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique

I mr open at 10/20 is that bad? Should I 2.5x instead and minraise from 20/40?

what u do as standard doesnt matter since it's the 3rd hand. he doesn't know your standard and u have JJ.

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Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique

B/f is possible but I see alot of people who play Tx or stuff like A4 with some spades exactly the same way they play the 7x even with reads so was confusing.

Sure it can happen sometimes, but I'd have to think villain was somewhat creative/aggro before I expected to see anything other than 7x c/ring this turn, esp if you bet bigger on the turn like I suggested. If you have that read (and maybe u do after the earlier hand), then sure, stack off.

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02-11-2010 , 02:44 PM

Cruizn63

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please dont fold

Last edited by Cruizn63; 02-11-2010 at 02:44 PM. Reason: all in ldo

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02-11-2010 , 03:05 PM

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willwork4fewdz

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I yell "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" at my computer and shove

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02-11-2010 , 03:28 PM

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miniwiz

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Not folding with his sizing.Get it in,especially since he did this move another time also.

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02-11-2010 , 03:33 PM

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SpeedyBanana

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Originally Posted by miniwiz

Not folding with his sizing.Get it in,especially since he did this move another time also.

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02-11-2010 , 03:38 PM

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Radeh

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Originally Posted by yaqh

howd u lose 200 chips w/o getting any reads?

raise more pre

i vbet bigger on turn and think we can probably b/f, readless.

This readless...as much as I hate folding overpairs.

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02-11-2010 , 06:54 PM

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Arsenal Gunners

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I mr open at 10/20 is that bad? Should I 2.5x instead and minraise from 20/40?

min-raising lets you play for post-flop and also allows you to open your range a bit more. It's not bad. I'd suggest seeing how much they call and fold to c-bets and then think about raising bigger based on that. Some opponents, I 3X a smaller range to start and slowly widen my range and lower my raises as we go. Don't be set with any raise amount, basically.

As for this particular hand, as played, it's close but a "crying" shove works.

I'd much prefer to check back the turn given the previous hand and calling almost all rivers (save a 6 of spades)

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