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01-10-2012 , 03:31 PM

#876

AcesBurning

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 626

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen6Suited

Also anyone know what time the happy hour is on pokerstars?

On at 3pm GMT ATM. I 8 tabled for it today, definitely worth it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElPonchis

i think as its 3 handed, you can bet turn and river as ranges become a lot wider so they have more Ax. But with 6 handed ranges become more narrow and i dont mind b/x/b line on this type of board.
this is cause were not getting 3 streets of value from Jx, if we bet turn, that leaves 1 street of value as majority of time villain will fold. so checking turn and firing river is likely to get 2 streets. (and if he does call turn, hes very unliekly to call riv so you get 2 streets regardless)

Ax may not call 3 streets of value (depends on riv size of course) so checking turn and firing riv def allows us to have 2 streets. Checking back turn also allows us potentially get 2 streets from GS as they may fire riv when missed but will c/f turn. + doesnt allow us to get bluffed of the best hand
but yeh if you do bet turn, im bet/folding. (sorry if you only wanted this to be applied to 3handed, i apologise if so and you should ignore this text :P)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowboygaybets

the difference between what range you open on the btn is no/should be different be it 3handed or 6handed so his defending range should also be no different than it would be had we opened in a 6handed game.

bxb doesn't rep air nearly well enough for me and i would be betting twice and then deciding otr, based on factors.

That's is the line I usually take. I think my turn bet here is definitely dependent on villans.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH

I strongly believe that if you need to get coaching to get out of the micros you shouldn't really be pursing poker as a career. I also believe you shouldn't need to get coaching at the micros as all the information to beat it can be found for free.

There are SO many players that are break even regs at the micros, all playing 6-12 tables, that all want to move up and think they will do so faster by playing more tables. But all they do is play and don't really work on their game and just take "standard lines" everywhere, which wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have other glaring holes in their game.

Anyway, once you've stopped playing 12 tables playing 16/12, I think it comes down to approach: Why am I doing what I am doing? When you do that for every decision and come to a rational answer, I think a solid win rate at the micros comes very quickly. Because all the other regs are just doing is what they do against almost everyone, almost regardless of villan. Anyway, I think that approach to the game of rationalising every decision is what will take you to mid-stakes and higher, just as long as your 'why?' is full of good arguments based on facts/stats/notes etc etc. and not just "well he flatted MP this is usually a middle pocket pair, i'll bet again'.

Just my opinion, would love to hear more thoughts.

01-10-2012 , 03:31 PM

#877

Mark89er

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Quote:

Originally Posted by clowntable

Don't get coaching. Take two days off from poker and think about the game really hard. Use flopzilla a ton and look at what ranges hit what flops, think about 5 leaks you could exploit in players and explicitly write them down.

If you play with stats a lot just grab some paper and write down some abnormal stats (80% FCB) and write down exploiting strategies in as much detail as possible. If you can't come up with abnormal stats, just open a hand in the replayer and check your own stats and assume they are somewhat in the normal range (you'll know how true that is) and then randomly click on some hands and look at stats from all players at the table that you have a decent sample on.

Then use whatever money you would have spent on coaching (let's say 150$) as your training bankroll and twotable 50NL and pay as much attention as you possibly can and try to exploit people as much as possible. If you fail to look at 3-5 showndown hands in a row. End the session and start over later.

Maybe I'm giving people too much credit for working on their own game but I feel very often at smallish stakes money would be better spent just playing training sessions with it.
This advice is even better for the guys that grind a stake for a long time and are somewhat afraid of moving up because they think they aren't good enough or something. I've read the old "looking to move up so I want to get a coach that beats these stakes" quite often. Just reserve the money you'd have spent on the coaching and take a twotabling shot (if you can do it on the weekend, even better)....soo much better

pretty cool post sir.....

01-10-2012 , 03:37 PM

#878

ionutd

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yes ct is much wisdom

01-10-2012 , 03:59 PM

#879

skraper

Verified Coach NLHE

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Quote:

Originally Posted by verneer

Oops. Well, this is embarrassing:

See if you can find the typo.

Sexy cover imo

01-10-2012 , 04:03 PM

#880

Spraggy

Just Plain Nasty

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Where can we see a preview of the book Pawel?

01-10-2012 , 04:06 PM

#881

Mark89er

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verneer

WHO THE **** PLAYS FULL RING????

i would expect to see the following
contents
pages 1-99 how to use the fold button
page 100 how to use the bet button
page 101 now u have big balls, pot pot shove
page 103 the end

lol

Last edited by Mark89er; 01-10-2012 at 04:17 PM. Reason: agreed sexy cover+inb4 fr wr eat 6max wr

01-10-2012 , 04:21 PM

#882

Yngwie Malmsteen

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,355

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH

I think this is pretty accurate. Obv if you want to get better and have the money it's yours to spend but I would be very wary of accepting coaching unless that player is in touch with the games and actually has the ability to teach people.

It's probably a lot better EV wise to find a player with similar aspirations who is playing at a similar skill level/limit, so to anyone who wants coaching I'd recommend exploring that first.

01-10-2012 , 04:21 PM

#883

verneer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spraggy

Where can we see a preview of the book Pawel?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/77359531/B...nkroll-Preview

01-10-2012 , 04:23 PM

#884

verneer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark89er

I also talk about BRM, how to fold KK preflop, and how not to tilt when your middle set loses to top set on a dry board.

01-10-2012 , 04:27 PM

#885

verneer

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But seriously ... 95%+ of the stuff carries over. Instead of being faced with a 13/11 TAG at FR, you can think of a 22/18 TAG at 6-max tables.

01-10-2012 , 04:41 PM

#886

VithelTone

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,676

Quote:

Originally Posted by verneer

Oops. Well, this is embarrassing:

See if you can find the typo.

Why does the 4d has 6 diamonds in it?

01-10-2012 , 04:45 PM

#887

verneer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VithelTone

Why does the 4d has 6 diamonds in it?

That's what I wanted to know! I didn't notice for a few days. It will be fixed

01-10-2012 , 04:53 PM

#888

VithelTone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by verneer

That's what I wanted to know! I didn't notice for a few days. It will be fixed

Well if u are on the way of fixing things....turn the $100 bill around, my OCD is killing me with that one

btw congrats on the book

01-10-2012 , 04:58 PM

#889

ionutd

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dolla dolla bill yoooo
btw Verneer, I'm liking the decision trees
book looks pro good job

01-10-2012 , 05:00 PM

#890

HappyPixel

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Dunno if xxLuckyShikarixx reads this forum at all but if you do then sorry for hit and running you twice in like 5 mins tonight... had my sit out BB checked both times, nothing personal lol

01-10-2012 , 05:05 PM

#891

AcesBurning

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 626

Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyPixel

Dunno if xxLuckyShikarixx reads this forum at all but if you do then sorry for hit and running you twice in like 5 mins tonight... had my sit out BB checked both times, nothing personal lol

<3 how many 3bets he flats.

01-10-2012 , 06:16 PM

#892

WithoutAir

adept

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,071

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11623052

CO: $26.10 (104.4 bb)
BTN: $24.95 (99.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $25.87 (103.5 bb)
BB: $9.75 (39 bb)
MP: $14.67 (58.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2

MP raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.50) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.75, MP folds, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($3) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.43, Hero raises to $3.75, BB raises to $6.75, Hero raises to $9.75, BB calls $1.75 and is all-in

River: ($20) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $20 pot ($0.99 rake)
Final Board: 2

Hero showed 2

and won $19.01 ($9.26 net)
BB showed 5

and lost (-$9.75 net)

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

wat

01-10-2012 , 06:21 PM

#893

ionutd

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01-10-2012 , 06:49 PM

#894

immadeadbird

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,276

amidoingitrite?
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
Hero ($10.95)
BB ($9.83)
UTG ($12.45)
CO ($10)
BTN ($13.15)

Dealt to Hero A

fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.10, fold, CO raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $10.95 (AI), CO calls $7.50 (AI)

FLOP ($20.10) A

TURN ($20.10) A

RIVER ($20.10) A

CO shows K

(Pre 68%, Flop 13.2%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero shows A

(Pre 32%, Flop 86.8%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero wins $19.10

01-10-2012 , 07:27 PM

#895

Big_Mick00

Verified Coach MTT

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8,704

obv you won

edit : premier league mixed game championship is on sky sports 2. nlhe, plhe, plo heats.

Last edited by Big_Mick00; 01-10-2012 at 07:41 PM.

01-10-2012 , 07:40 PM

#896

clowntable

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VithelTone

Well if u are on the way of fixing things....turn the $100 bill around, my OCD is killing me with that one

btw congrats on the book

And fix the A

01-10-2012 , 08:05 PM

#897

Spraggy

Just Plain Nasty

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,095

@WithoutAir

You rep 44, 22 or the occasional TT, Your preflop tightness means you have few, if any 2x combos here. If he was 100bb deep his turn 3bet isnt that bad. Having said that from what I've heard you are pretty tight/nitty so it's unlikely you're bluffing here that regularly. Might just be one of those spots where you are...

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