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Just out of curiosity, what does the rest of your lowjack range to flat-call a farjack 5x open look like? What does your three-betting range look like?

10-27-2021 , 10:21 PM

zalezalez

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10-27-2021 , 10:29 PM

SmbSmbSmb

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lol. what do you think happens if you 3b vs this 5x player that holds QQ?

10-27-2021 , 10:33 PM

zalezalez

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Originally Posted by SmbSmbSmb

lol. what do you think happens if you 3b vs this 5x player that holds QQ?

You don't get the other's 3 bet fold money. There's a lot of missed money in your game. You're very results oriented.

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10-27-2021 , 10:36 PM

AlanBostick

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What does the rest of your lowjack range to flat-call a farjack 5x open look like? What does your three-betting range look like?

10-27-2021 , 10:42 PM

SmbSmbSmb

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Originally Posted by zalezalez

You don't get the other's 3 bet fold money. There's a lot of missed money in your game.

what happens if the other guy doesn't 3b?

10-27-2021 , 10:55 PM

AlanBostick

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We play a one-pair hand in a multiway pot out of position, that's what happens.

10-27-2021 , 11:14 PM

DooDooPoker

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Amazing play

10-27-2021 , 11:15 PM

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zalezalez

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Originally Posted by SmbSmbSmb

what happens if the other guy doesn't 3b?

Oh, we're playing the what if game. Are you not skilled enough to profitable play KK post flop? Well, if we're going to play the what if game, what if the 3betting flats with TT instead and the flop is 3TK? What if the flop is 333? I mean you seem to play the what if only in scenarios that have KK lose to weaker hands, which btw is less the time, KK is better than all other hands except AA for a reason. You are the king negative troll.

10-27-2021 , 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zalezalez

poker is a game of adding up all the "what ifs" and applying the best strategy accordingly. ironically, the criticisms you throw at me are the ones that are holding you back. there are definitive reasons that good poker players and solvers tell you to 3b KK, you know?

10-28-2021 , 12:29 AM

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zalezalez

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

What does the rest of your lowjack range to flat-call a farjack 5x open look like? What does your three-betting range look like?

I play exploitive, so this range is based on what the original raiser's opening range is, fold to 3bet frequency, and some other factors, as well as player's behind me, as well as my current table image. in this specific example the table had 2 players behind me who were 3 betting a lot. Against this raiser at this moment my limp allin range would be AA, KK, AK. My limp call range would be 77-QQ, AQ, AJs. My call fold range would be 22-66 medium suited connecters and suited aces. Typically small suited aces and mid suited connectors would be my bluffs, but this table at this time, bluffing wasn't a good idea.

10-28-2021 , 12:45 AM

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What's the point of this post?

10-28-2021 , 05:52 AM

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Tamol

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Seems pure bad imo

You're just asking to get coolered in a multiway pot.

You're just being results orientated because it worked out this time.

10-28-2021 , 11:46 AM

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0NoobiePoker0

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If you feel so strongly about the validity of your plays I'd start your own training website, start streaming your sessions on Twitch, etc., get a real educational movement going behind your strategy. See how that goes for you.

10-28-2021 , 03:14 PM

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Redsixerfan

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Originally Posted by Tamol

Seems pure bad imo

You're just asking to get coolered in a multiway pot.

You're just being results orientated because it worked out this time.

No, its a common play that works out very well at 50 nl.

People mock what they don't understand. 3betting AA and KK is over rated at small stakes.

10-28-2021 , 03:18 PM

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Redsixerfan

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Originally Posted by 0NoobiePoker0

Kira and I do teach outside the box profit spots. At small stakes 3 betting AA and KK is bad in many spots. Most people's 3 bet ranges at small stakes is AA, KK, QQ; so they assume the same as you and you lose value when you 3bet it. This is table and player specific though. We can provide tons of examples.

https://rumble.com/vkie2l-3betting-w...cket-aces.html

https://rumble.com/vk7e7o-trapping-k...eting-you.html

10-28-2021 , 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dysco

Agreed, I tend to like to balance my AA and KK folding range as well. Sometimes even playing AA and KK is overrated at small stakes.

You are only proving my point. Typically when I check people's AA and KK stats that think like you, tend to have a very high win percent, but low BB/per hand winnings. If you're happy 3 betting with AA and KK and getting all folds, then by all means. But I like to win more money even if it means I lose a hand here and there. The goal of poker is to win the most money, not win the most hands.

10-28-2021 , 03:53 PM

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Kendoo

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Originally Posted by Redsixerfan

what a bullshit - do you really believe what you write?
You are probably the biggest fish in this forum (and nott close)

10-28-2021 , 08:30 PM

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AlanBostick

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Originally Posted by Redsixerfan

Let's see, now, my overall win rate with AA at 50NL is 2100 bb/100. When I three-bet with it this goes up to 2700 bb/100. I am happy with how my play with AA (and KK) works out.

The remedy for getting all folds when one three-bets with AA and KK is to widen one's three-betting range and getting even more folds.

10-28-2021 , 10:36 PM

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SmbSmbSmb

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Originally Posted by Redsixerfan

holy mother of god this 2nd hh.

there's not really a nice way to say this but villain (if a reg) 100% assumes you are a fish when he sees this (and this is why he is targeting you). if you have the luxury of being able to use this image, you have even more reason to be raising as people will 3b fish wider for value and you can build pots more easily with your premiums.

the downside to being a fish, however, is that your 4b (or limp/raise lol) will get extreme respect and you'll lose value here.

10-29-2021 , 03:46 AM

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What site do you play on and do you ever play higher?

10-29-2021 , 09:38 AM

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FutureInsights

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zalezalez

Quote:

Originally Posted by dysco

What's the point of this post?

Exactly. this is a strategy forum, not a i beat all theory and you guys thing. If you are limping with premiums (even one bad player that used to stream, opened to 2bbs hoping to get raised, eventually went bust because can't build a roll that way), you are missing out on money. Period, end of story, you are not the crusher you think you are.

IMO

10-31-2021 , 06:14 PM

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Redsixerfan

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Originally Posted by FutureInsights

You mock what you don't understand. Maximizing profits isn't about folding out worse hands. You're missing a lot of value out of your premium hands.

10-31-2021 , 11:20 PM

#25

SmbSmbSmb

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let's forget about what is actually right for a second.

i would really like to know, what exactly is it that makes you think that you know better than established poker theory and countless objectively better players? like what is this blind, dismissive confidence based on?

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