I got them Pocket Pair blues... - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy Online No-Limit Hold’em Cash

I got them Pocket Pair blues...

Post Reply Subscribe

...

03-26-2013 , 03:20 PM

Paul D

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,689

Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: $3.92
MP: $1.90
MP+1: $4.00
LP: $4.55
CO: $7.57
BTN: $4.00
SB: $4.25
BB: $3.65
Hero (UTG): $5.68

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has T

Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, LP calls $0.12, CO calls $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.54, 4 players) 6

Hero bets $0.54, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.54

Turn: ($1.62, 2 players) J

Hero bets $1.62, BTN calls $1.62

River: ($4.86, 2 players) 5

Hero bets $3.24, fold

Is this spewy or not?

I have been having problems with 77-QQ as noted in my PT3's history. Either I barrel stupidly or I play them too passively.

I have no history on the villain. Just sat down.

Had an Q-K-A came on the turn or river... I was done with it...

Quote

03-26-2013 , 04:06 PM

mtagliaf

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,649

not sure you have to pot flop and turn, but betting is fine. Still getting value from 77-99, right?

I am MORE likely to bet AKQ turn, not less likely. (maybe not a diamond though).

Quote

03-26-2013 , 04:12 PM

kb coolman

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,452

It's read dependent, but I think you just charged this guy a premium to see a 3rd diamond or Ace. His line is so fishy...this passiveness with position is pretty lolbad. I have no idea what else he's calling down your UTG aggression with.

Quote

03-26-2013 , 04:38 PM

mtagliaf

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,649

JJ/QQ are possible because we're UTG.

Quote

03-26-2013 , 04:38 PM

jaypatel33

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,801

I think this is cool, maybe smaller bets on all streets?

Quote

03-26-2013 , 04:56 PM

Rapidesh123

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 8,676

multi-way this is bad, maybe if you size it smaller

HU you can do it with like 75% OTF, 75% OTT and keep blasting 75% OTR, villain can call with some midpairs, since you don't havemany Jx on your utg range

Quote

03-26-2013 , 05:23 PM

Mzbourg

banned

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 6,670

Why are we betting river? serious question.

Quote

03-26-2013 , 05:52 PM

Paul D

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,689

The bet sizing is wrong on purpose. I was testing out something MartL said to me the other day in another thread. And I picked a hand that would be the hardest to do it in just to kind of get over the fear of doing it.

Quote

03-26-2013 , 05:58 PM

Paul D

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,689

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzbourg

Why are we betting river? serious question.

The man could have AJ or a couple hands that have me beat. There's no sample size. I realize he could have 77-99 that I could c/c and get value out of, or even catch a bluff. But when all things remain unknown, and there's hands that beat mine out there and I am able to rep a big hand... I'd rather just take the pot down... just a preference thing I guess. And I don't want to give him the opportunity to shove and have to decide about the AJ possibility or other possibilites (since it is a favorite past time of 4NL players to call flops with broadway cards and nothing else).

Quote

03-26-2013 , 07:36 PM

#10

Poker_Doc

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D

What were you testing out? Potting the flop into 3 other players on a wettish board? The BTN overcalled pre, so I have to think he has sets in his range post flop - therefore, not a big fan of the big turn raise either, especially with no reads/stats. I might c/c the turn, depending on betsize. I dunno, seems to me that you turned a decent SDV hand into a 3 barrel bluff.

I'm not great in these spots either, so interested to hear the various opinions.

ps. Krugman - nice one. :-)

Quote

03-26-2013 , 09:27 PM

#11

Paul D

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,689

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poker_Doc

MartL told me to pot bet in a hand that was like 30c pot and I was betting 20c. Told me they'd call the extra 10c. I wanted to see if they would do it in a hand like this when my initial plan was 35-40c bet. And since I don't pot bet much I wanted to see what would happen.

I play 10NL normally. So this hand didn't scare really and was willing to shell out a little coinage to get over it lol.

Quote

03-26-2013 , 09:50 PM

#12

Poker_Doc

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 114

It's an interesting idea - I don't pot bet much either. So when he calls the turn pot bet, what range are we assigning? Do we think he'll call his draws? 77-99? If so, we folded those out OTR. Yes, you probably could fold out AJ OTR as well, which is good. But JJ-AA, 2pairs and sets (played passively) probably call.

Quote

03-26-2013 , 11:29 PM

#13

Paul D

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,689

I think I'd discount KK and AA here. He didn't 3bet preflop. And I would suspect that once I showed I had a hand on the turn he would probably have shoved me.

I could see his range being like Ax/KQ/QQ-22 + some connectors here. But my general rule of thumb for 4NL players and some 10NL players is they will tell me when I'm up against it. If I get slow played I would put it in a players notes.

Quote

03-27-2013 , 02:11 AM

#14

RunninMan5K

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,542

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaypatel33

I think this is cool, maybe smaller bets on all streets?

this

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...