Poker Stars $10.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 2 players
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BB: t660
Hero (BTN/SB): t2340

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with J Q
Hero raises to t150, BB raises to t660 all in, Hero ... ?


mellyy85 is a friend we are playing friendly heads up. he is better poker player than me (maybe not at heads up). He loves to reraise and take pots but we were not in that situation more than 2 maybe 3 times until this hand. Neglecting the fact that he started conversation after his reraise, do i have to call this? if i think he had 66+, A10+, KQ


this is chat. Please help me with what to do without the chat and then what u think after seeing his chat

mellyy85 said, "gg"
Jmoneyy7 said, "pff"
mellyy85 said, "i sucks"
mellyy85 said, "just call u win no matter what"
Jmoneyy7 said, "i dont know what to do here"
mellyy85 said, "wht do u hav"
mellyy85 said, "lolz"
Jmoneyy7 said, "jq clubs"
mellyy85 said, "what is the pot"
mellyy85 said, "what odds are u geting"
Jmoneyy7 said, "feel like u tryin to get my 150"
mellyy85 said, "its head up""
Jmoneyy7 said, "i dont konw"
Jmoneyy7 said, "u make it sound like u got AQ tho"
mellyy85 said, "ha i do"
mellyy85 said, "always"

thanks

History: he has pretty much raised every button and I only played back at him once earlier on and I 3 bet him and he shoved and I folded. He knows that I can shove light also. In the chat (after he said I dont know what to do) he said "I feel like your trying to steal this."

ha ok so about the chat ... maybe this could be perceived as a tell as strong but I say this all the time when I am all in, especially against my friend. I would be saying this with any hand that I would be shoving here thinking that he is probably going to call if hes raising here. I just think in this spot raise folding is so bad. Any ways he told me that my range there was 66+,A10o+,A10s+,KQs,KQo. IMO this range is way to tight for my shoving range here given that I have 11bb. I think my range is more like this 22+,A3s+,KTs+,QJs,A6o+,KJo+. Anyways given the range he thought I had he has 36.7% equity vs my 63.2% equity. Thus said there is 300 already in the pot and he would have to call 510 more to win 810 ..... 510/1320 = 38% equity needed to make this call. If hes trying to state that the chat made him want to fold then it must be a soul read bec if those were his ranges then this is a call imo.

edit: in this post he said 66+,ATs+,ATo+ which acutally helps him out more in equity. his equity vs this range is 37.5% to my 62.4%

Reasons for calling

1) This is heads up QJs plays very well vs my ranges.

2) If he loses this hand he will still have 1680 left. I only have 11 big blinds.

3) if he calls he has a shot to win it right there. If he thinks that I can out play him it would be prudent to make this call and have an opportunity to knock me out. Take a close gamble if you are not favored vs the field.

4) even if he perceived the chat to be strength given his hand ranges this is a pretty much neutral call where he has a shot to take me out.

5) vs a more realistic range of 22+,A3s+,KTs+,QJs,A6o+,KJo+ his hand has 41% equity vs my 59%. I just cant see how this is a fold ever.

6) No reason to raise fold here. "He loves to reraise and take pots" There is no reason to raise here in the first place. Open shoving here is the best option there should be no argument for that. I did some sit n go wizard and the ranges he should be shoving here are 22+,A2+,K5+,K2s+,Q8+,Q6s+,J10,J8s+.

A competent mathematical players range here for shoving according to sit n go wizard after hero's raise here is 22+,A2+,K4+,K2s+,Q8+Q6s+,J10,J8s+,T9s

7) when I am unsure what to do I just call

enough said, I think and hope this is a good analysis of this hand. thanks for the help

i dont think he can outplay me.

and there is plenty of reason to bet and fold.

and i know there will be plenty of more near future chances to take him out

also, he calls me a "calling station".. so he probably wants a call?

tell them what u had

typical results orientated player. You can not get better but just looking at results of hands and saying o he had AJ that was a good fold. You have to think about the ranges of hands I have and how much equity you have. So if I told you I had 77 and swore on it would u still fold? You have to do more analyzing then that. He just does not understand. Do the math john take some time to see that raise folding sucks. I would rather fold then raise fold here.

State y you think raise folding is ok here, just don't say it is ok without giving an explanation.

as for the calling station comment... this was said towards the way he always called my button raise w/ garbage like Q2o. I told him that was dumb and he goes " well if i hit a queen im good its heads up but if i dont ill just fold if u bet." --------->>> so flawed

that kind of refutes your premise saying qj should be a fold if u think queen high is good in hands.

What are you points for folding this?

that you have me 3:1 dominated? y not just shove then? No matter what you say you can't go against the math.

"he is better poker player than me (maybe not at heads up)"...this would lead me to believe that you may think Im better then you.

yes he beat me in this heads up and no I am not bitter. He revered me twice for about 300-500 chips. Picked up one big hand on the button where I 3 bet his raise and he shoved which put me down to 1k in chips. He won a big hand were the flop was 6d4h3h he bet 30 I rr to 120 w/ 910 of hearts he rr to 360 I tanked forever i had like 1k total before the hand started. I decided that he prob has two pair or maybe even a straight so i just flatted. I just dont see a rr there from a pair of 6s at all no matter what the kicker is and I didn't think he would do that with a straight draw either and the possibility of a him having a flush draw was small bec I had one. Turn was a 9c he bet and I decided to fold. Turns out he had J6 of hearts. I am still happy with my decision to fold there. He beat me AK vs my AQ on the end when I was short stacked. oh well

feels like a battle about to start .... best of 100 heads up matches feel free to take side bets on who wins.

CALL.

given the ranges you put his hand in,im calling here, especially if you beleive you be out played, if you feel you are a better player a case can be made to fold if you ignore the math and you feel that you were beat. but in poker math is king, i think that unless i Believe that i have a Huge edge over thi splayer im calling 99% of the time

wow this thread is not good

edit: call but im not opening this hand 3x in this situation

thanks for confirming what I thought :0

even if i have AQ which is pretty much the worst case, u still have 30% equity.

snap call son

btw drezmac if thats the range you put me on for shoving over you then it would be profitable to shove anytwo cards knowing that you will fold unless you have a monster. It would be also profitable to shove anytwo cards for you if this was my range also considering I only call w/ 10% of the possible hands here.


the math does not lie i do not understand how this is even an argument anymore.

If I turned up J10 would you have said damn I should called. Of course your just basing your play when you saw the results of the hand clown.

Are you calling if i turn my hand face up and show u I have 22 here? lolz

Easy call, tag your thread next time.

i am basing my play on the fact that you had only done that twice in 60 hands and showed me one of them (AJ actually). that being that i had 3x it many times before and you fold almost never call and only reraise twice.

i am also basing it on the fact that i know you and know you would stick it out til the end only pushing over with better than decent cards there, me having 50% at best, just becuase you dont wnat to lose to me.

I am also basing it on that i can probably outplay you especially at this point becuase you are frustrated that you "suck"

Then there is also the chat of course. in the chat you see i say i dont know what to do with the situation beuase i know its a good hand but you immediately start yapping which you did not do any other hands were

How do you know these numbers? do you maybe use a program to figure them out? I have a mac so i cant run pokerstove right now or maybe i could have come to that conclusion.

Yes if this was one of the 100 games we are going to play then i would insta call that. The fact being its me playing YOU one time for the first time in a while I find it to be a difficult decision that i think could go either way.

You would not turn up J10.


Sorry for not tagging properly.

and im only writing this repsonse on here cuase im at work and cant contact this clown otherwise

1) Based on the fact that I had only re-popped you twice in 60 hands has nothing to do with this situation. All these hands where I repoped were during deep stack play. Once again you remember the selective memory of me showing AJ after one repop, but you dont include the one repop where u 4 bet and I folded. I have 11ish bb and am looking to get it in with any decent holding.

2) Ha sticking it out till the end is pretty dumb especially when you say that I will only get it in with better then decent cards lol. I have 11big blinds dude and blinds are going to change to 50 100 soon. There is no time to wait for better then decent cards. Look at the hands above that I posted that are +ev to shove over your raise based on sit n go wizard. There are tons and yes I do not push with all those hands but I do with most of them. I def do not have all the ranges of hands memorized that I can push here that would be +ev but I have a good idea for the most part considering that I do play around with sit n go wizard and poker stove. You know I play with those programs so this should be an instant call based on the fact that I know which hands have good showdown value vs your raising range and what hands I can shove here that are +ev. I think your definition of decent cards is totally different then mine. Decent cards heads up w/ 11bb are a ton of hands. That being the case I would for sure shove w/ J10 it has tons of showdown value heads up. I would def get it in w/ suited connectors also being that one u might fold and two that if you call my hand still has decent equity vs your range. If you think that its possible that it could be 50-50 at best then how do you not call? Look at the pot odds and then compare the percent you need to call vs your equity in the hand. I did that all above.

3) yes you can out play me bec I do suck lol. You have 3 to 1 chip advantage not so hard to win, but you for sure make it much harder by not calling this shove.

4) ha about the chat you are wrong also. I chatted during the whole match even involved in hands. I even remember saying Y are you not talking or responding when I said something. This is a case of selective memory. Regardless of the chat you still have to call based on the ranges you said...which are so fing tight. I dont think you understand that. You can not justify not calling bec/ of the chat and then say my ranges where what you said. Pure math

5) no good player every finds a fold here. None of your proofs are anywhere near decent to make this a fold.

6) someone else besides drezmac make a point for folding ????? i dont think anyone can find one that has any merit to it. All of drezmac's arguments seem to refute each other.

7) you still have not stated( i think) or maybe not given a sound answer to y you believe raise folding here is good? Saying that well I can just take your blind when you do not have a hand does not count for the simple fact that if you believe this then you should be raising with any two cards in hopes of just stealing my blinds but folding to a raise or shove.

8) 4 votes for call 0 for fold ...........pitching a no hitter....I dont really understand how you still think this is a foldz. it is beyond my mind.

9) please try to attack any of my arguments for calling here.

dipppppppset clown

You need 38.6% equity to breakeven.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.808% 41.18% 01.63% 925138620 36564956.00 { QJs }
Hand 1: 57.192% 55.56% 01.63% 1248274316 36564956.00 { 22+, A2s+, K8s+, QTs+, A2o+, K9o+, QJo }

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john you are getting blown out of the water on this son. just like battle ship i got all my ships left and you have zero

gg i suck

aswell as having the correct equity to call vs most ranges, if you raise 3x then fold with these stack sizes, welcome to exploitable playville, population you. you might aswell have 72 if youre going to fold to a shove in this spot.

john i had to change my avatar pick to zab the jab judah bec/ this was a clear knock out

refer to this link to geek out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcOEbaPcrP8

spot on tmcdmck thanks

I think it's a mistake to make it 3x here, esp with stack sizes.

Obvious call. And LOL at all the analysis with 13bbs. QJs is an unexploitable push.