Let's assume villian is a good player and offers you to play HU cash, 100bb deep, and in any hand you get AA and of course he knows this. Both of you are allowed to limp only. Are you gonna accept this game? Let me rephrase this: can you make it a +EV game by applying some special strategy or whatever? Or such a game is always -EV, regardless any factors like your and villian's skills? Sry for my poor engl=(

It is always going to be -EV to play when villain knows your exact cards.

Without the "must limp" restriction, it could very easily be profitable. Obvious strategy: raise 1/3 of your stack every hand.

I doubt it would be -ev if you have aa everyhand

Very profitable.

Min bet every flop. Maybe pot sometimes on drawyier flops. Fold to raises sometimes. Do some calculations on how often AA wins on various flops vs random cards and use a randomizer Andy Beal style to showdown less often than that but close. Win.

How much are you willing to put on this?

I'll give you AA every hand, we'll play something like 1k hands. Probably doesn't even need to be that many.

No raising preflop, 100bb stacks, reloading every hand. Whoever comes out ahead in the end gets paid by the loser.

Seriously, I'll take this bet against anybody that's willing. I get 2 cards, you get AA.

Not for any amount though, my bankroll is fairly limited.

We can figure out the mechanics of how to do it later.

Huge +Ev, im pretty sure you could like ship most flops

i would sell my soul to be able to have AA every hand whatever the rules.

How big is your br? Coz im very very down for this game with reasonable stacks.

So you're on then?

This is very lol, but I also believe the person with AA is +EV with lank4ever's general strategy. The fact of the matter is that the other player doesn't have a better hand enough of the time to profit off of it.

With 100bb stacks I'd rather have the other hands.
hugely +ev to not have the aces.

The other person only needs to have a hand every 50+ hands or so on the flop for it to be profitable for them though to call the aa shoves..

I'd play with you TNixon if we had some way to set it up.

Again, AA isn't shoving flops like has been suggested.

Anybody have any ideas on how to set this up? I'd probably want to play 1k hands, if the $ amount was significant.

I could very easily write a quick program that a third party could run to generate hands and boards. Might not be the best idea to have me write it though, if I have a vested interest in the outcome.

Not that I would do anything (because I absolutely would not), but it's just better to avoid the appearance of corruptibility. lol

tnixon how deep are you thinking?

I'd want to structure it as a sidebet rather than playing directly for $.

2 options:

Option #1:stacks start at 100bbs, reload every hand, so stacks can get deeper than 100bbs.

Option #2:starting stacks fixed at 100bbs, and they reset every hand, with wins/losses tracked separately.

Still thinking about how many hands I'd want to run for option #1 (and the more I think about it, the more I think even 1k hands might not be enough, simply because variance has the potential to be monstrous, especially if the AA adopts a shoving strategy), but option#2 would give the same overall odds, just be less prone to huge variance swings.

I'd be willing to put $500, *maybe* even $1k up as a sidebet, at 1:1 odds.

I don't mind you writing it especially if the $ amount is smaller. We don't even have to play 1k hands, of course that makes it more definitive, but even a couple hundred would be enough to see who probably has the better conception of it.

How shallow before you think its neutral Ev?

I think the point of the question is option 2, playing hands with AA vs. unknown with 100 bb stacks. (edit: I could be wrong about this that's just how I interpreted it) And I don't think the two options are the same overall odds fwiw.

I can assure you I won't adopt a shoving strategy, it would be absolutely stupid.

Actually, you're right. Deeper stacks definitely favor the non-AA hand more, at the expense of variance.

I'm sure enough of the edge of any 2 cards at 100bbs to use option 2 though.

Then let's set it up I'm actually not sure of AA's edge but feel pretty confident about it and definitely curious enough to want to give it a go.

btw, im pretty sure AA has the edge for any stack size how ever i think it diminishes the deeper it gets.

So I can write a quickie, if everybody who wants action is ok with that. If we can run 1k hands, I'll put up 1k, otherwise I'm going to cap my action at 500. (total, not per person who wants it)

I'm actually at work right now so I can't do it immediately. gimme a few hours.

the way it will work is this: very simple app that pulls out 2 random aces, leaves the rest of the deck intact, shuffles (I'll use your namesake for a solid RNG), deals the 2 aces to one player, two cards to the other. Alternate blinds, the non-AA can choose to fold or call his small blind, the AA presumably calls every small blind. from there just normal NLHE.

we'll need a third party to run the app and tell the players what the cards are.

Mers, how much you want to put on it?