hes gonna play a huge amount worse than perfect imo, the turn bet alone gets him off a significant number of better ace highs and hands like 33. personally i don't barrel hearts and i don't barrel 5/6 but i'd probably try every other card. with him being in position his range is wide enough that his range isn't just pair+draw hands, he has tons of combos of hands like J6o that peel the turn but still hate life on any river that doesn't hit him

I just have started using it myself, got turned on to it by a friend who has a ton more money in his bank accounts linked to it then I do so i guess i never questioned it too much. My understanding is that they can only see and read your bank accounts, they don't have capability to do anything else with them. No it isn't software, it's all online, which I actually like cause it auto updates and keeps tabs on your accounts, sends u alerts for diff things if u want. Obv software where u have to manually update all the time can't do this. But like I said I'm still a total noob but after playing with it for a while it seems really sweet and exactly what I was looking for, and its free.

I guess i never answered your first question, yes they do need your login names and pws for your bank/ other things accounts.

sorry for the derail back to weak ass strat talk

yeah but will they click fold often enough? if we fold out ace high and 33 on the turn we are betting into a range of 5x 6x Qx some 9x and then some random hearts (that will pair up sometimes), he has tof old 5x 6x almost always then for a bluff to be good no?

i'm not sure how easily i can do this in pokerstove but i know that there are more 5x/6x combos than 9x/Qx by a fairly big margin when you consider how often 5x/6x cbet versus how often 9x/Qx cbet. either way it seems like we only really disagree on betting 2-4 non heart rivers which are only 20% of possible cases, we improve on 7x/8x/Ax to a hand with pretty reasonable equity and we have a good bluff spot on 9-K imo (9/Q are questionable but some ppl view these as cards ppl rarely bluff on and some ppl are just fish and are scared that we have trips or flushes, not to mention it makes his range even more heavy on 3rd/4th pair).

to be clear though...i dont think this is a very profitable spot no matter what line we choose, so i'm not trying to make a case that it's an awesome bet/bet or like a ridiculously +ev play, just the best of a few mediocre options

Took me awhile to get his timing tells, but it paid off!

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $864.60
BB: $573.80

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with K 9 8 8
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero raises to $54, BB calls $36

Flop: ($108.00) Q Q 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $70, BB raises to $140, Hero calls $70

Turn: ($388.00) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $140, Hero raises to $670.60 all in, BB calls $239.80 all in

River: ($1147.60) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $1147.60
Hero shows K 9 8 8 (two pair, Queens and Eights)
BB shows 2 A J T (a pair of Queens)
Hero wins $1147.10
(Rake: $0.50)

i dont play omaha but wtf are you doing

its easier to discuss if you know what kind of hands your opponent checks back on the flop but until you know that I'd be betting most turn and river combos pretty happily.

He 3bets 50%, he c/minraises with bluffs. He never has a Q there and with his overpair he goes into c/c mode.

3betting the flop makes a lot more sense to me than flatting vs bad players like this (who'll bet-call turned draws).

no money in plo, everyones solid.

Yesterday I played someone at PLO50 HU who didn't even seem to know the rules of the game (and yes, I mean it literally). He was check-calling down (pot bets obv) with hands like QJxx (no draws) on AQJxx when flushdraws get there etc... And I mean he did it in literally every hand, not just once or twice. I don't think you ever see so ridiculously awful fish at NL than you occassionally see at PLO, maybe if someone'd always calldown J+ high on whatever board. (ummmm, actually I guess that would make him Phil Galfond)

Ended that session in +12bi in 485 hands fwiw

two pair is a big hand

Is the hand really 4bettable? (even w/ the 50% 3bet)

Sad thing is Villain has pretty decent equity too.

There's really no excuse to ever 3/4/5bet hands with poor equity and poor playability in PLO. At least I can't really find any. You could 4bet hands with decent playability or something that clearly has equity edge, but I don't see any reason to ever do it with 88xx. But I'm happy that people do it.

yeah, like no one folds ever (so it's not like you can ever 4bet bluff)

That 4b is terrible.

omg loooool

wow that plo hand wtf

and @sh58, wasnt saying your play was necessarily bad or that his was good. Just was explaining what I thought he was thinking at the time, I take the same line sometimes as well but it is definitely bad without a dynamic or without knowing how your opponent thinks (e.g. if they are going to play fit or fold to the c/r it is pretty bad)

I cant think of a worse idea...u might as well mail them ur atm card with the pin # too

yeah ur prob right its just a huge scam, make a badass web site, fake having millions of satisfied customers all just to scam you out of your $756 u have in your checking...obv

Yeah, it's no wonder e-scamming is a multi-billion dollar per year industry. Surely alarm bells are ringing when a company is offering a "free" service to you but with the requirement that you to provide them with your bank account details including passwords. I don't give my gf my online banking passwords, let alone an online, faceless service that is offering me something for "free" in exchange for said information.

I'd literally rather hand write every single transaction I make into a ledger with the peace of mind that I'm the only one accessing my bank accounts, than have the "convenience" of some joe in an unknown part of the world providing me with a super cool service while he combs through my accounts.

meltdowncity you're incredibly naive.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.