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07-29-2010 , 03:54 AM
To everyone I played between 12am and 2am:

Thank you for the money.


To everyone I played betweek 2:15-3:45am:

Your welcome for the money.

I don't think I won an 80bb pot once in the last couple hours and I was 4 tabling.

Overall outcome +$12.
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07-29-2010 , 04:04 AM
still positive
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07-29-2010 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by HeadsUpLoser
still positive
gg. Sorry I was short with you at the table I was just a little frustrated from losing every pot for a couple hours. Hit me up when you want a rematch.
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07-29-2010 , 06:10 AM
well that could've gone better



looks like we're gonna have to cancel the poker house
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07-29-2010 , 06:41 AM
^^ Probably, you should see the dive my rolls taking
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07-29-2010 , 06:57 AM
I'm a winning nl50-nl100 hu cash player looking to have a student
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07-29-2010 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Flushtrated17
i dont play on FT or Stars, but i have yet to run into an above avg reg who minraises pre in HU...plus i dont see how this is an optimal strategy at all...unless ur opponent is 3betting like crazy
I minraise a lot vs some opponents and they're not all maniacs. I have had more than 1 reg quit on me because I minraised, it's pretty hilarious that something so small (pun intended) can make someone tilt.
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07-29-2010 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SSDas
I used to have a red line that was consistently worse than this, but i've managed to stop bleeding as profusely nowadays.

When I was new to HU, what really helped me, as bad as this might sound, was betting a lot more turns/rivers and calling a lot more rivers just for the hell of it.
ok, i just tried this for 2000 hands. my red line went from plummeting to slightly rising. in that 2000 hands:

non-showdown winnings: +$80
showdown winnings: -$400

obviously this sample size is stupid, but i've experimented with this plenty before. the more i barrel and bluff (and bluff catch) at NL50 HU, using the same thought processes that i see in practically all HU cash videos, the more i lose. and i mean...i lose fast. i really can't even afford to try to play through a decent sample size with that approcach lol.

i can break even or maybe even have a tiny winrate by just basically never bluffing and purely value betting. i just don't know how to improve that. i'm super skeptical that the key to improving my winrate at NL50 HU cash is in utilizing barreling and bluffing to try to improve my red line. obviously there are big winners at NL50 though, so i just can't figure out what the hell they could be doing so differently. i can only value bet as often as i make value hands...
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07-29-2010 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquadougs
I'm a winning nl50-nl100 hu cash player looking to have a student
I find this odd.
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07-29-2010 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasterbator
gg. Sorry I was short with you at the table I was just a little frustrated from losing every pot for a couple hours. Hit me up when you want a rematch.
Don't worry. It's poker. I know how it feels when someone is coolering you quite a bit.
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07-29-2010 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ryanj247
ok, i just tried this for 2000 hands. my red line went from plummeting to slightly rising. in that 2000 hands:

non-showdown winnings: +$80
showdown winnings: -$400

obviously this sample size is stupid, but i've experimented with this plenty before. the more i barrel and bluff (and bluff catch) at NL50 HU, using the same thought processes that i see in practically all HU cash videos, the more i lose. and i mean...i lose fast. i really can't even afford to try to play through a decent sample size with that approcach lol.

i can break even or maybe even have a tiny winrate by just basically never bluffing and purely value betting. i just don't know how to improve that. i'm super skeptical that the key to improving my winrate at NL50 HU cash is in utilizing barreling and bluffing to try to improve my red line. obviously there are big winners at NL50 though, so i just can't figure out what the hell they could be doing so differently. i can only value bet as often as i make value hands...
You don't need to bluff just for the sake to bluff, but start slowly... Don't automatically give up obvious spots, i.e. board 257TA, checked to you, you hold worse than pair, don't automatically check back because "you never bluff", you need to bet. If he calls down with 3rd pair or worse then you don't bluff anymore in this spot but vbet 2nd pair+.

If you're not from UK (or speak some other weird english that's not easily understandable), I can coach you cheap if you want to (like $50/hour). I play 400-1000NL, i'm not great midstakes player compared to some guys here, but I think I can be pretty helpful for SSNL.
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07-29-2010 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rbracco
well that could've gone better
it's sick how much the tail part of that graph looks like a technical stock chart. you set like five new highs that got progressively lower...that thing was due for a sharp break down

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looks like we're gonna have to cancel the poker house
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07-29-2010 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ryanj247
ok, i just tried this for 2000 hands. my red line went from plummeting to slightly rising. in that 2000 hands:

non-showdown winnings: +$80
showdown winnings: -$400

obviously this sample size is stupid, but i've experimented with this plenty before. the more i barrel and bluff (and bluff catch) at NL50 HU, using the same thought processes that i see in practically all HU cash videos, the more i lose. and i mean...i lose fast. i really can't even afford to try to play through a decent sample size with that approcach lol.

i can break even or maybe even have a tiny winrate by just basically never bluffing and purely value betting. i just don't know how to improve that. i'm super skeptical that the key to improving my winrate at NL50 HU cash is in utilizing barreling and bluffing to try to improve my red line. obviously there are big winners at NL50 though, so i just can't figure out what the hell they could be doing so differently. i can only value bet as often as i make value hands...
The best approach for 50nl is KISS... Keep It Simple Stupid. Just play solid and yea never bluff almost.
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07-29-2010 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Stake Monster
Just play solid and yea never bluff almost.
this really doesnt make sense at all =/
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07-29-2010 , 12:13 PM
Obv bluff, I would say try not to make big bluffs at 50nl.
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07-29-2010 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquadougs
I'm a winning nl50-nl100 hu cash player looking to have a student
i'm a better 50nl player, i'll coach you
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07-29-2010 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by StreamlineR
this really doesnt make sense at all =/
why not? i didn't go in details but the gist of beating 50nl is indeed to play solid and not bluff *too much* (I probably should have not said "NEVER" bluff)
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07-29-2010 , 01:03 PM
Depends on what counts as bluffing, if you mean big bluffs then you are right that our bluffing frequency should be low, but if you mean small bluffs like cbetting and 3betting light, you're wrong. If every bet that isn't a valuebet count as a bluff, you're probably bluffing more against passive nl50 callingstations than good midstakes reg.

There's tons of regs at NL100 who defend only 30% but still fold more than 60% to cbets etc...
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07-29-2010 , 01:16 PM
bluff when you dont think they can call. its that simple
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07-29-2010 , 01:19 PM
theres actually a lot of really bad nits at small stakes so i never really understood the whole never bluff thing, i mean yea most fish are calling stations but some of them are the ones who nitroll the **** out of you and fold too many rivers

although this is probably a lot of information to formulate for someone who's starting hunl at the lowest limits =\
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07-29-2010 , 01:23 PM
Always bluff - let them figure it out
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07-29-2010 , 01:37 PM
Is it cool to ask for player-to-player fund transfers in this thread?
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07-29-2010 , 01:38 PM
seems to happen a lot between forum regs
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07-29-2010 , 02:04 PM


I look at one of my tables and see this... WTF? Anyone else experience this?
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07-29-2010 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Stake Monster
why not? i didn't go in details but the gist of beating 50nl is indeed to play solid and not bluff *too much* (I probably should have not said "NEVER" bluff)
NEVER bluffing and not bluffing too much are very different strategies indeed (most of the time anyway)

but yeah I really took off from microstakes when I started realizing that a lot of people actually liked to fold more than they should despite what everyone is saying.
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