we need do something about stars. i think we should sit at 20 tables everyday. or we make a deal by sitting at 6pm everyone at zillion tables. or any other hour. i mean, we need show to stars its impossible get games on this way... everyday idiots are sitting out. also, every reg is sitting at 8+tables.. damn god.
yea urubu you got your roll in teh first place by flipping. by going away from your bread and butter, you're sacrificing tons of EV.
hahah
i made my roll grinding... i lose my roll fliping. and nowadays i have a rule: never flip. doesn't matter how much i lose, how much i am tilted, i won't flip.
augie's comment is possibly the fastest way for hammer to realize that he is incorrect.
hammer, what you are saying is that:
winrate = A * (stack depth) + B, for some constants A and B
this would mean if you graph this you'd have some straight line looking thing to figure out your stack depth specific win rate (holding opponent constant, let's say).
it should be fairly obvious this is wrong.
not only at the extreme short stack range, where it is very hard for your opponent to make mistakes with 1-7 bb or so, but that there should be any linearity at all either over a specific opponent or over the aggregate... it simply can't be true for all HEROs that HERO would prefer playing deeper against all VILLAINs, regardless of villain, current depth, etc. game dynamics change at different depths, for one thing.
however, all of this goes beyond what is really necessary, which is to cut down the idea that winrates vs 20bb stacks are 1/5 the winrate vs 100bb stacks. as one person already said, if you were all in every hand or whatever, this would be reasonable, but the fact is that you are right in a way, you can never win 20bb in a non showdown pot against a 20bb person, and you can vs a 100bb person. however, there are systemic errors and different distributions of pot sizes versus different depth players. all in pots, for example, are going to occur much more frequently against 20bb players than against 100.
so tilting being part of this stupid community ******s just tellging you you're wrong and that's it. I said playing against a nitty short stack reduces your edge; about 50-60% of short stackers are easy money I'm not disputing that.
not only are you dumb enough to make completely illogical statements, u then get very defensive when everyone tells you how ******ed it is, and then defend a part that people arent arguing.
so if a winning 100bb reg decides to shortstack (and knows how to), his winrate against a fish would be reduced only by a small fraction of the winrate he would have if he played the same fish at 100bbs?
so if a winning 100bb reg decides to shortstack (and knows how to), his winrate against a fish would be reduced only by a small fraction of the winrate he would have if he played the same fish at 100bbs?
yeah when 2 people play the shorter the stacks the lower the edge is going to be, there isnt an argument there. its when hammer_time claims matter of factly that its a linear relationship and "simple math" is really what people are taking issue with.
so yesterday i sat with some reg at 3/6 on two tables on stars and we played for like 10 mins and he quit (kinda lame since our match was pretty aggro/fun and had promise). anyway he just sits out and stays sitting out without leaving and expects me to leave, blah blah blah i email stars about it:
>Hello,
>
>I was just playing the player "SmallFRYbigF" at 3/6 on two heads up tables.
>We played for about 5-10 mins and ended up about even on eachother, but then
>he immediately quit on both tables saying "SmallFRYbigF: gg no ty" numerous
>times.
>
>I was surprised when he quit bot htables but continued to sit out at both of
>the tables. The following chat exchange then occurred:
>
>SmallFRYbigF: gg no ty
>mdom: gg, leave table if ur not gonna play
>SmallFRYbigF: please don't block the table
>SmallFRYbigF: u can email PS they will tell u
>mdom: we played, and you decided not to play me anymore
>mdom: so leave
>mdom: i will email them
>mdom: you're clearly in the wrong
>SmallFRYbigF: email PS or ask a 1knl reg
>mdom: god
>SmallFRYbigF: person at table has right to decide who to play
>mdom: you seirously think that this is your table, when we play and you
>decide to quit?
>SmallFRYbigF: i don't make up the rules dude
>mdom: you're being ridic
>SmallFRYbigF: ?
>SmallFRYbigF: i was suripsised too
>SmallFRYbigF: and someone reported me
>SmallFRYbigF: and i found out
>SmallFRYbigF: w/e
>
>He felt that he has a "right" to the table simply because he was the one
>sitting there first when we initially started playing. However, since we
>had played for 10minutes and he then decided to quit me, my position is that
>he should leave the table because he is the one who chose not to play at
>that table anymore.
>
>Please note that I absolutely am NOT trying to table block him. I am not
>going to all his other tables and sitting in just to force him to sit out.
>But at these specific tables that we were playing at, I believe that he
>should leave the tables when he quits me.
>
>Also note that the entire reason he wants to keep the tables for himself is
>that the tables start with "A," so they are at the top of the lobby
>alphabetically -- so he would like to keep them so that he can attract
>casual players/fish much easier.
>
>Basically I would like for you to clarify Pokerstar's policy on this issue.
>thanks
>
>Matt
and get this response:
Hello Matt,
Thank you for contacting PokerStars.
At present, we do not have restrictions on our heads-up games regarding
players being forced to play or leave. We have sufficient games at most
limits which means other options are usually available. Additionally, new
tables are automatically created at each level, so there is always at least
one empty table to join.
If sitting out heads-up is found to be a major problem, we will consider
adding features to prevent it. At the moment, however, players doing this
are not breaking any rules of our site.
Please let us know if you have any other questions and thank you for playing
at PokerStars.
Regards,
Ben Y
P♠kerStars Support Team
Sheesh. Has this always been their policy? I guess that means it's OK to table block people? At the very least, it means someone can sit at a million good alphabetical tables and just sit out forever and no one else can do anything about it, besides getting into a table blocking war with them...? this seems so ridic.
i'm thinking of starting a thread series where once a week i pick a specific opponent to represent a class of opponents, and we dissect that opponent (and thereby type). we would discuss hand ranges, strategies and counter strategies, etc. the main information would be a panel of statistics, as well as some support hands for more "reads." the player would obviously be anonymous.
i think it would be a good way to link the theory and practice of things for players still working on their fundamentals, as well as just be fun.
anyone think this is a good idea? horrible idea?
fwiw, the first opponent i was going to post was one of those guys who plays like 65% from both positions and doesn't like to fold very much. (so i guess an oop loose passive, or a loose aggressive, depending on who i pull.)
yeah mdom this is their policy ive emailed them a lot of times about this and this is always their answer. i know people get mad at me for sitting out at "A" tables overnight but its mostly because guys like smallfrybigf, glpmurray and a couple others specifically target sitting at those tables and if i try to sit at any of them they table block my tables and theres nothing i can do.
we need do something about stars. i think we should sit at 20 tables everyday. or we make a deal by sitting at 6pm everyone at zillion tables. or any other hour. i mean, we need show to stars its impossible get games on this way... everyday idiots are sitting out. also, every reg is sitting at 8+tables.. damn god.
i'm down for sitting out at a zillion tables... need to get the general population to complain to get anything changed
yeah mdom this is their policy ive emailed them a lot of times about this and this is always their answer. i know people get mad at me for sitting out at "A" tables overnight but its mostly because guys like smallfrybigf, glpmurray and a couple others specifically target sitting at those tables and if i try to sit at any of them they table block my tables and theres nothing i can do.
You telling me that even when you complain about smallfry or whoever sitting down at your table and insta sitting out to blatantly table block you, they still don't care?
if so i think its time we get a ****ing police task force going on this ****. i would love to table block the guys like smallfry while i'm waiting for action on other sites (stars is rigged so dont care if he blocks me)
You telling me that even when you complain about smallfry or whoever sitting down at your table and insta sitting out to blatantly table block you, they still don't care?
if so i think its time we get a ****ing police task force going on this ****. i would love to table block the guys like smallfry while i'm waiting for action on other sites (stars is rigged so dont care if he blocks me)
they care in the sense that they send an email suggesting them to leave the tables in a non-binding way and then tell me that there are tables being created and if they are sitting out i can open up new ones. i then always say it shouldnt be my responsibility to do that, and they tell me they are sending it to another department and the conversation ends.
You telling me that even when you complain about smallfry or whoever sitting down at your table and insta sitting out to blatantly table block you, they still don't care?
This is correct. Stars support have told me on a couple of occasions that he will be booted from the tables when 3(?) rounds of blinds have passed...
good times when winning...bad times when losing 20+ in a row
