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lol i play some 2/4 swedish isildur wanna be reg at 1/2 for like 2 hours, he asks me at least 5 times to play a third table, i refuse cause im trying to practice better BR management, etc. long story short he goes up 2 bis early and the second he goes into the red he snapquits both tables and continues to sit his other empties. impressive...

Lot of these guys going around lately. I played a guy like that, took 5 buyins, he kept talking trash etc. Gotta love it

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11-18-2009 , 10:56 PM

#10178

Syous

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shrug, I deny 2 of them. 1's a douche the other hnr's me and I've never figured out how to beat him

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11-18-2009 , 11:11 PM

#10179

StreamlineR

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some shortstackers really aren't that bad. I think we overestimate our edge when we play very shallow(20bb and less). It's simply not the same game.

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11-18-2009 , 11:41 PM

#10180

dstazy100

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its deff a totally diff game

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11-19-2009 , 12:15 AM

#10181

hammer_time

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Originally Posted by StreamlineR

some shortstackers really aren't that bad. I think we overestimate our edge when we play very shallow(20bb and less). It's simply not the same game.

I agree. There's no room for poker, a cbet and turn bet and you're all in or a cbet and a check raise and you're all in. 3bet pots are mostly trivial too.

The opponent has to be pretty bad to make it worthwhile. And even if they're losing players as a short stack versus you, your winrate is divided by five relative to the stakes since the most you win is 20bb.

I play a short stack still but if they're a nit or half decent, imma outta there.

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11-19-2009 , 12:50 AM

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freemoney

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Originally Posted by hammer_time

I agree. There's no room for poker, a cbet and turn bet and you're all in or a cbet and a check raise and you're all in. 3bet pots are mostly trivial too.

The opponent has to be pretty bad to make it worthwhile. And even if they're losing players as a short stack versus you, your winrate is divided by five relative to the stakes since the most you win is 20bb.

I play a short stack still but if they're a nit or half decent, imma outta there.

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11-19-2009 , 12:51 AM

#10183

freemoney

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Originally Posted by Pasterbator

these days if you DON'T play these guys, you will be waiting 20-30 minutes minimum to get action. There are very few 20bb stacks that are actually "good" and to this date I believe I have played exactly one GOOD 30-60bb player.

No real advice, just beat them.

how many sites do u sit on?

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11-19-2009 , 01:14 AM

#10184

Rossa1985

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Originally Posted by freemoney

hi, i play almost always against 50BB+ players and thats why i dont have so much experience in playing shortstackers. Do u have a generel strategy when u push oop on a 3X openraise or how do u play against these guys?

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11-19-2009 , 01:20 AM

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asdrubale

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Originally Posted by freemoney

there is some truth in that. its hard to make big mistakes in the first two streets as your equity edge is rarely going to be huge. plus even a terribad shortstacker is often going to play better than you if you have no experience playing shallow.
people have a hard time beating superturbo husngs even though they all agree they are filled with fish.

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11-19-2009 , 01:27 AM

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freemoney

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Originally Posted by Rossa1985

i mean theres a huge range of these guys so its not like a standard formula but i think in general u r better off m/r like 100% of buttons (which i dont do against most fullstackers) against most and then playing your bb varies more.

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11-19-2009 , 01:29 AM

#10187

badboyboogie0

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i play poker because it's profitable AND FUN. shorstackers make it look like work.

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11-19-2009 , 01:32 AM

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asdrubale

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Originally Posted by Rossa1985

I just found out about this awsome thing:

http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/holdemOracle.jsp

say your 20bb shortie is opening 60% to 3x and calling with any ace or broadway or pair. That means he is folding 54% of the time and you need 36% equity when called. You should reshove the following:

Rest easy, my child, secure in the knowledge that you may play the following hands: AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77, 66, 55, 44, 33, 22, A*, KQ, KJ, KT, K9, K8, K7, K6, K5s, K4s, K3s, K2s, QJ, QT, Q9, Q8s, Q7s, Q6s, Q5s, Q4s, JT, J9, J8s, J7s, J6s, T9, T8s, T7s, T6s, 98, 97s, 96s, 95s, 87, 86s, 85s, 76s, 75s, 65s, 64s, 54s

you can play around with the oracle for different opening/calling ranges.

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11-19-2009 , 02:45 AM

#10189

LT22

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shove that range and you get raped, most ss'ers are donks and call shoves with unsuited connectors or worse like T6o which dominate your 85s

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11-19-2009 , 03:43 AM

#10190

Halfwitted

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Originally Posted by hammer_time

your winrate is divided by five relative to the stakes since the most you win is 20bb.

this is the funniest thing ever written on the internet

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11-19-2009 , 04:20 AM

#10191

ICMoney

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Isildur1: yo my mouse battery died and broked other one yesterday
Ziigmund: ok
Isildur1: i need 10 mins
Ziigmund: so no more game?
Isildur1: yes
Ziigmund: tilt
Isildur1: but i need battery
Isildur1: yes
Isildur1: sry
Isildur1: 10 mins
Ziigmund: how long
Ziigmund: too long
Ziigmund: quickly
Ziigmund: go
Isildur1: it ll go fast

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11-19-2009 , 04:23 AM

#10192

T-ReV

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Zigmund is hilarious.

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11-19-2009 , 05:55 AM

#10193

freemoney

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Originally Posted by asdrubale

im not arguing any of this because i dont really care to and its irrelevant to what i was disagreeing with. just what he wrote is completely wrong. there are 2 really awesome examples in the last couple posts of why poker will forever be profitable because people just constantly show huge gaps in logic (even those who clearly spend enough time to post actively in a forum), like the post about w/r with regards to someone playing 20bb and also the guy tnixon who writes that we would get "raped" if we shove over a 3x from a 20bb stack with hands from AA-85s because they call with T6o.

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11-19-2009 , 06:44 AM

#10194

SoUnluckymat

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any of u guys play on AP?

just curious

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11-19-2009 , 08:14 AM

#10195

muttiah

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Played pistons87 today. lol

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11-19-2009 , 08:52 AM

#10196

Gary Stevenson

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Originally Posted by Isura

Played pistons87 today. lol

i remember when he used to play me

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11-19-2009 , 10:15 AM

#10197

ArrrInnn

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Originally Posted by Isura

Played pistons87 today. lol

i love that guy

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11-19-2009 , 11:30 AM

#10198

AcTiOnJaCsOn

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Originally Posted by Rossa1985

skier had a really good post about this in MSNL

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11-19-2009 , 11:52 AM

#10199

takadaporte

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fuggfrist,

idk who you are on here, but sorry for telling you to die of aids yesterday.

that is all.

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11-19-2009 , 12:11 PM

#10200

hammer_time

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Originally Posted by Halfwitted

this is the funniest thing ever written on the internet

My statement is correct. It's not hard to understand.

You are effectively playing 200nl if you are playing against a 20bb short stack at nl1k. So whilst your winrate is the same, relative to the stake it is effectively divided by five. Alternatively, your hourly rate is divided by 5 compared to playing a fullstack... very simple.

I probably should have elaborated by winrate I mean actual dollars earned not the raw ptbb.

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