LOL!!!

This imo is totally redic and pretty sure this can't be legal especially with confiscating funds if you refuse to do this!

Who has been targeted with this so far just HS players?

What they gonna do when you play naked and have a mid session jerk ?

Nvg worthy

Yea I just joined his tables and he still has his insta sit out script vs me and doesn't respond, totally ridiculous Ipoker is tolerating such obvious bots.

Fwiw I had a similar issue vrs molodi(or whatever the infamous fun player on stars nic is), said I wouldn't post unless he sat with 100bb and used chat, never got an answer but he kept sitting for awhile.

The measures taken are definitely Orwellian. I'm okay with it for the most part except for the part where they hold your money hostage. It's very unethical to change the rules to that severity without any warning while denying you access to your funds. What if they suddenly ask you to provide some extremely difficult document to obtain in order to withdraw your funds? It definitely crosses the line.

Stars is really losing touch with their customers but I think that's naturally going to happen when a company goes public and their focus shifts from their customers to their shareholders.

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They aren't "holding your balance hostage"? unless I've missed it, there is no threat of stealing it - presumably failure to comply results in account closure with cashout, just like any other suspected but unproven bot/cheater, no?

"Please note that we are unable to release any of your funds until the investigation on your account is completed. This is a standard procedure for any account under investigation.

We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause you and thank you for your cooperation."

If what you said is true then that's much more reasonable. It should certainly be, and made clear from the get go, that one doesn't have to partake in the video and their funds will be released.

It's worrying that an online casino operator that suddenly morphed into the world's biggest poker operator is now falling back on some of the most profitably abused tactics from the online burn joint handbook, 2006 edition.

Yeah +1 to this being in NVG. As far as them legally keeping the money they won't give a **** until the lawsuits start piling up, which they won't. This is stuff that's been done before many, many times by deadbeat casinos to put a nice gloss on no-pay thefts.

They will be very tempted to use this to snipe off players they don't want around imo. The line's been crossed and should be brought to the public's attention, especially if there are real life examples of legit players' cash being stolen that can be put on display.

Gross disgusting violation of privacy and crosses so many lines, I don't even know where to start counting...

1. stop interacting with them immediately
2. get your lawyers involved asap and all communication through third party going foward. clearly, they are just waiting for you to lash out. keep yourself as emotionally detached from the situation as possible.
3. ask for the matter to be immediately escalated to the suporvisor/manager of pokerstars support.

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Clearly the person making these requests has the IQ of an embryo and has no ****** clue of the score of their demand.





I oftentimes find myself questioning the average IQ and competence of pokerstars support staff. This case is no different and under no circumstances should you just hastily succomb to their requests. Put your foot down, take your time to thoroughly think it over before making any decisions.


EDIT: Clearly the person making these demands has never heard of this thing called Observer's Paradox. Just mindblowing.

I'm not sure i get the outrage.

When the PLO bot ring was discovered everyone was outraged that stars hadn't done more.

Now they are doing more for the security and integrity of the games and people are mad about that aswell.

I mean if you have nothing to hide then whats the issue, sure its a slight inconvenience but on the other hand its good to know that people using dream machines will get caught out.

Its good. But doesnt have big impact. the botter will play 1h and then start his software again. and yes the botter can play well cause he know the frequencies , sizing ...
i know many hs regs who use soiftware that isnt allowed. they use it via speech, or hdmi usb changer or virtual mashine. no1 can prof that.
the truth is,poker is dead if u arent a good it spez. pc get better. you can rent a superpc and solve ur game.
the fututre of poker is, which programmer is the best. and this is the sad realltiy. but i like it

bull****?


the next step to help fix this problem of cheating in online poker is criminal charges with big financial penalties

now an nvg thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ssion-1582287/

Disagree, the people running the dream machines are smart enough to play close enough to them for 1 hour imo so pretty sure this achieves nothing.

Great move by stars. You all complain repeatedly that they don't do enough to enforce rules against bots and MAing, now they come and do something completely logical and you all go off your ****ing rockers. What's there to hide in your room? Boys, hide away the second laptops with the info on there, put them in the cupboards for now. Close off the programs fellas. Get the mates off the TV connections. I can hear JMO and DMERRRR's 4ssholes clenching from here. Abide by stars' rules and come sit big flop.

Hey carrycakes, feel free to make your 70 minute session against me at 2k mate. I'm sure we could arrange something . Danmerrrr, you can have me at 5k under those circumstances that stars request too.

I'm aware that you two spastics are probably pretty well informed about the game now through your scummy ways of learning. Stars likely won't pick up the differences in your play, but my green line will enjoy it. 140 minutes of pure ****ing printing.

I'm waiting boys.

I think the main issue here is the way they are going to deal with the footage. I truly believe it's a really effective way of eliminating a lot of cheaters. The only problem I have with it is that the person reviewing the hands needs to be extremely informed on the games to be able to distinguish a player's subtle differences between playing with assistance of any sort, and not playing with assistance. The reviewer would need have an understanding of the game equivalent to a midstakes grinder at least. If it's just another ordinary pokerstars employee, this becomes completely irrelevant and just ridiculous. And I guarantee this is what a lot of these scummy pricks will be relying upon when sending them through.

70 mins of 5k or 10k with 20k sidebet, im in for that you can have as many cameras on me as you want mate, xx?

better call up an backer or 2 (or more) we know who has deeper pockets here

So this is Jmo?

chris owning naked danmer on camera is priceless, for everything else there's MasterCard.

I think this is outrageous to ask, if a site would request that of me I wouldn't play there. Such a gross invasion of privacy.

I get that they have to protect against bots, dream machines, skier stuff, whatever, but for me personally, I'd prefer having online poker ruined by bots/cease to exist rather than an online poker environment where you'd have to consent to being filmed inside your own home just so Amaya can milk the games for a few years longer.

Isn't it effective only against bots and multiaccounts who's owner doesn't know how to play at all though? If you are decent you can probably play close to what your coach or GTO machine tells for just 70 minutes, and if you aren't, but are still good enough to not have to ask every little detail, there are very tiny Bluetooth earplugs and some kind of cameras to broadcast your holecards live (in case TeamViewer kind of software is detectable) for some "help from the booth" for 70 mins

The main issue to me is that they could be subjective at any point with or without anyone knowing. And it doesn't seem easy/possible at all to protect yourself from that.

They can still milk the games pretty well with bots/cheats making up the entire pool of winning players. Good on Stars for actually doing something.