lololololol people you are unreal sickos irl jeeez get a life zomfg and chriseddy brakes all records!

Glas u mentioned it floppy, but the be honest the same is going on with jakedamus account and JTS_80. These morons went from being an idiot player to a though player who also tanks for every decision. he went from trash talking alot to sayig noting and makeing some really good plays. WHo is reposinble for these idiots? WCG idiot? or Asian the nerd flushie

really lost my respect for alot of the players.

the new rankings ( cheaters excluded)
1.floppynuts ( he def deserves repsect for this)
2.muumipois
3.jungleman
4.Bajskorven
5.TCfromub

That empire story is a lot more interesting if you leave the whole danmerrr part out honestly

bang bang

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I was just linked to this.

I don't want to get into case by case specifics here because I dont think its fair to people as individuals. The list you have also contains people that either were in the empire and have been out for some time now, or were never in the empire at all.

The ones that are in their empire and play those stakes have all paid their dues. No one playing 25/50+ just "randomly showed up". I have always had pretty strict guidelines with what stakes people play, and the better ones are the ones that move up. There have been many members of the empire that dont move up to these stakes at all (or get cut etc).

It seems like in your post you are accursing us of a bunch of things.

- Multiaccounting on each others accounts
- Me always being there to sweat and play their large matches
- That someone sitting them is just a chance for them to contact me

These accusations are all incorrect. I have always trusted my guys to play their games at any of the agreed on stakes when they think they have an edge. So while I can understand your concern regarding the nature of these accounts (We have to be careful in the HU industry as there is a lot of foul play afoot), many of your accusations use facts that are misguided and a bunch are completely wrong.

fyi I have played most of the empire accounts as well as wcg himself and they all were distinct players, vs me at least there was no multiaccounting going on

im just confused on how you spell danmerrrr, how many r is there, how many n m e ? It changes all the time ! similar to me learning how to type durrrr back in 2007 or so.

<3 jungle

I played vs WCG at 500zoom about a year ago or something. Confirmed busto, and therefore, confirmed multi-accounter.

the beast likes his pray to listen as he spreads his anger throughout the streets!

Hahahhaha detective floppy mate xx

If danmer is not part of the empire than why does he play 10k PLO from one day to te other? Is he that genius to beat NLHE in year from micro to highstakes? could be, but dont joke me with sayng he can beat switch to PLO and beat it in one day.
As far as JTs 80, the guy behind the account, the good one, isnt playing there anymore so he is back to being a fishy player. Play him but watch out when he starts to play slow and not tilty, doesnt talk **** aaaaa lot. When he says BRB all the time.

What i noticed is Krab42 defending always the empires members, he could have to do something with it. But he has his ow coaching program and the money for the longterm students is provided by a backer called BOB/Jax ( DUtch guy) Mostly watch out for account that skyrocket in a few weeks or months, specially when they are from UK, Aussie

i can confirm jts80 is actually wcg 50% of the time, force him to play you on webcam to make sure you are getting scammed.

What does defending mean here?

This caught my attention as well. Can't remember him ever sitting an hu plo table before and out of the blue he sits the highest stakes. A little suspect to say the least.

what happened to just being a little degen? I don't play the stakes in question so I have no opinion, other than hoping its all true because those empire guys are mostly huge dbags. But 5 years ago this sort of thing would of been considered the norm for a rising star who has a pretty big roll all of a sudden.

What a bunch of paranoid skitzos

You guys are surprised? I mean, it's fun to read about specific group, who are in it etc, but i'm certain almost EVERYONE at the top or close to it does it to some extent.

What reason do they have not to sweat? It's impossible to get caught unless someone talks. Pretty much everyone at the top is insanely greedy, and actual ethics is very rare thing in tough current poker climate (ethics was possibly quite common few years ago when money was still easy though). Ofcourse everyone tries to show that they are super ethical person, but behind closed doors greed >>> ethics.

Only few reasons why some people wouldn't do it - they don't have friends who are as good as them so they wouldn't gain as much as they would give away; they don't have close friends who they trust enough; or they have pretty big name already and it's not worth a risk - someone like WCG perhaps... Stars wouldn't catch him, but maybe DANMERRRRRR loses his mind down the road and speaks up and ruins his reputation somewhat.

If 2 people live close to each other, or even together, and would greatly benefit from sweating each other, it's insane to think that there isn't very high chance they don't do it from time to time. Do you think that these two French guys didn't do it who cleaned Gus for $15M? These Aussie guys probably do it aswell unless one of them is a bum and doesn't want to spend time coaching for free, but they probably get raped vs even lowest level 'empire' members.

It's pretty similar situation to using steroids in professional sports. It's bad, but not totally scummy like colluding (and it was even considered norm few years ago), and pretty much everyone does it to some extent, so it's easy to justify it not being that bad.

Ofcourse noone admits it, like noone admits to using steroids in professional sports unless they get caught. And in this situation, there is basically no 'drug testing', since it's not possible to catch someone sweating even when they use screen-sharing software.

What do you think, how many professional athletes say 'no, thanks' to steroids when there is no drug testing?

I played about 40k hands of plo at lower stakes before i started bumhunting 10kplo. Would be good if wcg rider can just come out and declare that ive never been part of his empire.

Thanks i am a genius x

Anybody wants to put up some money? I'll happily bet ya 50k ive never been affiliated with the polk boys. Surely thats enough incentive for you break even bumhunters to get to work!

Message the all so genius king for coaching. 2k/h for the first 4 hours and 1k/h there after.
If you buy a 4 hour bulk package it also comes 1 free hour of psychological help from yes.. u guessed it, the genius king! Ive read some books.

Meh, not really, it happens and wcg's group isn't the only one but for example both me and jungle are not in any groups and there's very few people willing to play him and even less so for me.

Sweating takes time lol?

This is so far of the mark it's not even funny. Sure they are some scumbags, but in general the high stakes poker world consists of stand up guys who are super-ethical. Eg I recently xbooked my game with a russian pro who I have never met, will never meet, have no friends in common with, who is in a different jurisdiction. I asked someone who can only be described as a mutual online acquaintance at best, someone from another country again who I've met exactly one, if he could be trusted, and he said yes, so I did it.

The Russian ofcourse promptly paid the 30k he owed me after the match (and more to others).

This is the standard turn of events, the vast majority of the time it goes like this, to the point where we don't even think about this. Hell, that we discuss when it goes wrong is a sign of how rarely it happens, if it were commonplace nobody would xbook with random internet dudes for large amounts to begin with.

That something like this can happen between people who have absolutely no ties to each other is frankly baffling and a testament to how most people in the high stakes world are stand up dudes who are constantly in the temptation to cheat for large financial gains yet never do.

Fun fact: I recently did a 37k flip on an Anon 50/100 table vs I have no idea who, some fish. After a couple of smaller flips where we both always got it in with whatever we had that got us that deep, I called all-in for 37k with 75o. True to his word, he had also jammed the crap he had. That this can happen, on an ANON TABLE, is a testament to how great the online poker world is relative to the temptation. Most people playing high stakes online are stand up guys.


Sure it probably happens sometimes as a way of coaching, that might be unethical, w/e. I don't think there's anything consistent about it though, I think the vast majority of the time people play solo. You really think doug or donger don't have anything better to do than sweating their horse playing 10/20 all the time?

yeah ofcourse the genius played 40k hands lower stakes and battles the best for a spot at 10k,get the Fock out of here.

40k hands lol u have just made this even harder to believe that its legit which is impressive, grats!

in b4 no1 plays without webcams