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this is flawed logic. The Nash Equilibrium would dictate all 4 regs sit on 15 tables each because it is unexploitable. The regs could all start off by sitting on one but if a new person came in and sat at 2, then the situation escalates until such a nash E is reached. Choice a is neither likely nor realistic with the influx of new HU players looking to make money.

The situation you propose is just too simplistic because theorywise it is possible with four people who are all 2+2 and know each other, but in the real world it's just a bunch of strangers who want to optimize their own earnings.

Sadly I am late the in HU game, but as I have heard, there used to be at least a dozen heads up players that all agreed to not ruin the games. i am sure they weren't all 2+2 or friends, its just so obvious that it should be commonly accepted. Yes there has been a new influx, but that doesn't deem it irrational to think now the 30 players could agree to this. sadly no one takes the effort to have a nuclear disarmament and so it won't happen.

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04-05-2009 , 03:58 PM

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the biggest issue is that it only takes ONE person to ruin it for the rest of us. at 25/50, i remember i accidentally sat on 3 or 4 tables instead of my normal 2 and got told to sit on two shortly after that.

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04-05-2009 , 04:00 PM

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Tragedy of the Commons

...a dilemma in which multiple individuals acting independently in their own self-interest can ultimately destroy a shared limited resource even when it is clear that it is not in anyone's long term interest for this to happen.

econ 101 peeps

Stop f-ing up the games.

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04-05-2009 , 04:00 PM

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the only way it will stop is not by bitching about ppl that sit at lots of tables, but get FT to only allow 1 non-active table to be sat at at a certain level... Only FT can solve the situation now, not the players

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04-05-2009 , 04:10 PM

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how about logic 101 peeps?

you bother to post that, but don't even post the quite obvious solution to this problem, which is in the article itself!

One of the proposed solutions is to appoint a leader to regulate access to the commons. Groups are more likely to endorse a leader when a common resource is being depleted and when managing a common resource is perceived as a difficult task.

so who is the leader gonna be? someone who calls everyone just trying to make it for themselves ******* douchebags, while at the same time table blocking those players and proclaiming it virtuous

or full tilt?

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04-05-2009 , 04:11 PM

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also, everyone wish me luck in the 3k!!!!!!!!! i am so excited!!!!! i won't be able to troll whinefest 2k9 until i bust, hopefully it wont be until tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!

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04-05-2009 , 04:15 PM

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the players i have spoken to say that there were multiple heads up reg's that did just talk to the new people about just this. they took the leadership role, etc etc...its people like you that won't be the first to step down. if a few agree the rest will follow...

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04-05-2009 , 04:17 PM

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if a few agree the rest will follow...

you can also bring democracy to islamic countries! everyone loves freedom!!!!!!

edit: just in case you don't "get it," i'm saying that is wishful thinking.

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04-05-2009 , 04:30 PM

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wow, ziiiiiiiiiiiiing!

without having to get into your political ignorance, i think its safe to say all the game selecting heads up players share a very common motivation, and that is $$$...many countries and citizenry dont share such a commonality of desire. when you have that, it should be much easier to work for the common good.

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04-05-2009 , 04:38 PM

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wow I'm only playing nl50 so was kind of unaware of that problem. i went up to look at ipoker and almost no 2/4, 3/6 and 5/10 tables are running, but almost 50 table with 1 ppl sitting. this is sick and has to stop i think. :s

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04-05-2009 , 04:42 PM

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you should sit at all of their tables and kindly explain that you won't allow them to play another hand of poker on that site unless they do exactly what you want. that should work!

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04-05-2009 , 04:58 PM

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Augie you are tilting me and FYI if I played on full tilt I would block all your tables.

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04-05-2009 , 05:10 PM

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i barely even play on full tilt. that is the best part of all this.

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04-05-2009 , 05:13 PM

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Well if you play on stars then I am definitely going to block your tables.

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04-05-2009 , 05:15 PM

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why

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04-05-2009 , 05:17 PM

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Because you probably think that what you are doing is ok since you think fish just come to play with the mindset to lose money, but fish don't think like that. Fish are just normal people who aren't so good at poker. When they open the lobby and see 2 tables going with 50 half empty tables at HU, then they aren't gonna go "well, who cares who i sit with, i'm just here to lose money *clicks random table*". They will see that something's up, and as a whole that will drive them away from the games. I really don't understand why people fail to see this.

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04-05-2009 , 05:24 PM

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DoubleD,

I think you overestimate fish

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04-05-2009 , 05:28 PM

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the fact that it is a Nash Equilibrium doesn't prove that collusion to sit at only one table doesn't give a better outcome. An equilibrium isn't always the best solution. And since winning poker players are smart (theoretically), they should be able to understand that.

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04-05-2009 , 05:30 PM

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no you are failing to see that i see your point. its impossible to self regulate among a bunch of random strangers on the internet, it's full tilt's job to cap the number of tables one person can sit at. vigilante table blockers do nothing but irritate other people, if table blockers spent that time working on a campaign to get full tilt's attention on the matter, there would probably already be a cap by now.

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04-05-2009 , 05:33 PM

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no you are failing to see that i see your point. its impossible to self regulate among a bunch of random strangers on the internet, it's full tilt's job to cap the number of tables one person can sit at. vigilante table blockers do nothing but irritate other people, if table blockers spent that time working on a campaign to get full tilt's attention on the matter, there would probably already be a cap by now.

I may overestimate fish, but not as much as augie estimates Full Tilt.

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04-05-2009 , 05:45 PM

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so for the record, you think its more likely that a random group of bumhunters will abide by arbitrary standards set by some table blocking douche, than for full tilt to simply mandate those same standards?

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04-05-2009 , 05:48 PM

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For the record I don't think Full Tilt will do anything substantial so I think people from 2p2 at least should set some standards among themselves and quit being douches, because it looks like this can only be self regulated.

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04-05-2009 , 06:03 PM

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because it looks like this can only be self regulated.

where's your evidence for this? all of the actual evidence that full tilt agrees and should take some part in regulating the HU games. your opinion is that full tilt will do nothing. why does your opinion directly contradict reality?