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How are you playing river with TT? How are you playing river with TT?

09-23-2021 , 03:13 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $25.79 (103.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $29.42 (117.7 bb)
BB: $32.69 (130.8 bb)
UTG: $56.94 (227.8 bb)
MP: $26.44 (105.8 bb)
CO: $38.50 (154 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T T
fold, MP raises to $0.62, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, MP calls $1.88

Flop: ($5.25, 2 players) 2 9 4
Hero bets $3.31, MP calls $3.31

Turn: ($11.87, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $3.74, MP calls $3.74

River: ($19.35, 2 players) 8

Few different options here, what do you guys think is best?

Going all in for value? (what hands might V have that will call?)
Checking and hoping he bluffs and call?
Is check/fold ever an option?
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09-23-2021 , 04:49 PM
You can probably bet bigger ott
Riv. I don't think we can jam vs MP for value, so check. If he jams is close he needs to turn some pair into bluffs to have +ev call, so it's close between xc and xf. Probably xf.
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09-23-2021 , 07:26 PM
I dont think theres any worse on the river to get value from, villain shouldn’t really have any 9x in his range to begin with besides 99,T9s I think. On the river I like a check with the intention to call if he is capable of bluffing missed over-cards/ace-highs, we can be behind to a bunch of better PP’s still and river bet might be value owning in 3-bet pot here.

He might have some broadway suited-heart combos that call on turn and miss river,checking can give those an opportunity to bluff.
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09-23-2021 , 07:54 PM
Do you think villain is folding his Ax hands to the 2/3 flop bet ?

I was thinking he might stick around with most suited broadways with BDFD on the flop and AQo,AKo. I think villain would maybe fold AJo to the flop bet.

my questions is, does he fold the following to the 2/3 pot flop bet:

- suited broadways with BDFD?
- AJ,AQ,AK?
- 44-88?

On the turn I think villain is likely folding out his 44-88 besides perhaps 55 because its OESD. I also think if villain hasn't folded out his over-cards yet he is likely to do so with the ones that do not have a flush-draw. Here's a picture of villains turn calling range I have made up.



(you could probrably exclude some of the best PP's but I kept them in because sometimes players have them. Maybe I should weight them to 25% or so?)

If villain's range is similar to the one I have assigned then when he calls his range has 57% versus our 42% before the river comes.


On the river if we bet and villain puts us on a strong range... he may fold out some of his top pairs like T9s,J9s,Q9s (if they are in his range).

If we weight villains overpairs to only call/call flop and turn to 30% of the time , on the river when we triple barrel villains range
might be folding his top pairs besides A9 and K9 and calling with everything better, villains calling range has 70% equity versus our hands 30%. (screenshot below)




villains over-cards and weak pairs on the river combined can make up around 25% of his range, if he can turn 55, into a bluff and bluff his missed FD's and overcards then check calling may be good play. if he cannot check/folding is probrably better.

Last edited by Donkeybets; 09-23-2021 at 08:04 PM.
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09-24-2021 , 05:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
You can probably bet bigger ott
Riv. I don't think we can jam vs MP for value, so check. If he jams is close he needs to turn some pair into bluffs to have +ev call, so it's close between xc and xf. Probably xf.
Yeah I thought about it, but wasn't too sure what I could get value from other than 9x. Thinking about it he has some bdfd hands I should have sized up to get value from.
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09-24-2021 , 05:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donkeybets
Do you think villain is folding his Ax hands to the 2/3 flop bet ?

I was thinking he might stick around with most suited broadways with BDFD on the flop and AQo,AKo. I think villain would maybe fold AJo to the flop bet.

my questions is, does he fold the following to the 2/3 pot flop bet:

- suited broadways with BDFD?
- AJ,AQ,AK?
- 44-88?

On the turn I think villain is likely folding out his 44-88 besides perhaps 55 because its OESD. I also think if villain hasn't folded out his over-cards yet he is likely to do so with the ones that do not have a flush-draw. Here's a picture of villains turn calling range I have made up.



(you could probrably exclude some of the best PP's but I kept them in because sometimes players have them. Maybe I should weight them to 25% or so?)

If villain's range is similar to the one I have assigned then when he calls his range has 57% versus our 42% before the river comes.


On the river if we bet and villain puts us on a strong range... he may fold out some of his top pairs like T9s,J9s,Q9s (if they are in his range).

If we weight villains overpairs to only call/call flop and turn to 30% of the time , on the river when we triple barrel villains range
might be folding his top pairs besides A9 and K9 and calling with everything better, villains calling range has 70% equity versus our hands 30%. (screenshot below)




villains over-cards and weak pairs on the river combined can make up around 25% of his range, if he can turn 55, into a bluff and bluff his missed FD's and overcards then check calling may be good play. if he cannot check/folding is probrably better.
Thanks for the breakdown - yeah I agree his range is pretty strong and I'd expect to lose to JJ here sometimes.

I checked and he checked back with T9 spades - as you say I'm not sure if he'd even call a bet
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