[MICRO] How Would You Play JJ Here in 3BP? - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Only 40ish hands at the time. WWSF was 1/6 and he did snap bet the turn. All other timing decisions seemed normal.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO (136.7BBs)
BB (441BBs) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 25.9% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 58]
UTG (59.6BBs) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 30]
HJ (103.8BBs) [VPIP: 31.1% | PFR: 26.7% | AGG: 29.4% | Flop Agg: 28.6% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 25% | 3Bet: 14.3% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 46]
CO (26.8BBs) [VPIP: 35% | PFR: 15% | AGG: 25.9% | Hands: 40]
BTN (102.7BBs) [VPIP: 7.7% | PFR: 3.8% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 27]

Dealt to Hero: J

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To 2.2BBs, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To 10BBs, BB Folds, HJ Calls 7.8BBs

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.46 effective]
Flop (21BBs): 2

HERO Bets 10BBs (Rem. Stack: 116.7BBs), HJ Calls 10BBs (Rem. Stack: 83.8BBs)

Turn (41BBs): 2

HERO Checks, HJ Bets 25.7BBs (Rem. Stack: 58BBs), HERO Calls 25.7BBs (Rem. Stack: 91BBs)

River (92.4BBs): 2

HERO Checks, HJ Bets 58BBs (allin),

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04-13-2024 , 12:51 PM

AskZandar

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Seems like a snap call to me.

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04-13-2024 , 12:54 PM

Franchise804

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As played, fold river. I think if we are holding the Js we can crai otr or call down

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04-13-2024 , 01:07 PM

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Prefer a flop X. These lower board's get overstabbed a bit.

As played I'd fold river and don't think it's close.

Turn sizing is a tell as theory goes smaller there and FCT is slightly stronger than FCR in C-B-B plus tight formation.

Interested in results per usual

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04-13-2024 , 01:49 PM

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As played, fold river. I think if we are holding the Js we can crai ott or call down

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04-13-2024 , 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AskZandar

Seems like a snap call to me.

Any particular reason(s)?

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04-13-2024 , 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

cool thx

Would you XR flop? That's typically my plan when I do check.

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04-13-2024 , 03:56 PM

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Any particular reason(s)?

Too much air because people call too many 3b, can do it with worse pairs esp with a spade, and all draws/overcards bricked.

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04-13-2024 , 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AskZandar

Too much air because people call too many 3b, can do it with worse pairs esp with a spade, and all draws/overcards bricked.

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04-13-2024 , 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

cool thx

Would you XR flop? That's typically my plan when I do check.

I think either way is fine. You do get a good % of donk leads on Ace/King turns so that's something to keep in my mind for your range if you do x/c.

Another reason I don't like calling down is not only is C-B-B underbluffed on FCT but also the 3 spades are very low so IP basically has all flushes in his range and the board isn't blocking any.

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04-14-2024 , 10:57 AM

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Hey NG can we get results on this hand?

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04-14-2024 , 10:59 AM

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I think you have to consider the fact that he is able to float the flop with air a ton, its such a low board.
When you check, if you are check calling the turn to check fold the river I think thats a mistake unless you have a read that says he never bluffs river.
I think if you want to fold, the turn is the spot to fold, as there are some people who dont bluff scare cards at all.

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04-14-2024 , 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Hey NG can we get results on this hand?

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04-14-2024 , 11:12 AM

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TY sir. Good fold imo.

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04-14-2024 , 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AskZandar

Too much air because people call too many 3b, can do it with worse pairs esp with a spade, and all draws/overcards bricked.

What additional air is there actually when they call too much?

Maybe a bit more AQo with a spade but they probably have less AKo than they should. Anything suited mostly means more flushes by river so really just 87s? If they call more pocket pairs that's a lot more value and no more bluffs

Folding turn vs this size, B33 and XF river seems fine though

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04-14-2024 , 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam

I agree with this after thinking about it, folding turn is the best play.

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04-14-2024 , 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam

Offsuit broadways and pairs if I had to guess. A lot of people have f3b in the 40s.

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04-14-2024 , 01:04 PM

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I thought x/jam turn but was totally wrong. Flush turns are so bad for our JJ/TT range and we need to x/fold most (non

) vs action. And if pio folds it is usually time to uberfold

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04-14-2024 , 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AskZandar

Offsuit broadways and pairs if I had to guess. A lot of people have f3b in the 40s.

They definitely call preflop too much but they overfold flop so the turn range isn't air heavy.

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04-14-2024 , 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

They definitely call preflop too much but they overfold flop so the turn range isn't air heavy.

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Iggy specific:

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Makes sense.

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04-15-2024 , 05:18 PM

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Maybe you can bet turn and check fold river.
AP-Either check fold turn or call down. All of his bluffs have spade and most regs keep betting that otr as well. I think just folding turn is fine you beat no value and bluffs have equity vs you, outs are trash as well.

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04-16-2024 , 06:40 PM

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I like the check ott beyond that i dunno seems dodgy at best…maybe fold ott

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04-16-2024 , 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

If the turn is a 4c, does that change anything about the reasoning process? You're getting ~2.7:1 on a river call. When you say underbluffed, how much are we talking?

I think how the board and action played, the river is a fold. Just curious how much it changes on a different turn. When I look at the hand, the turn sizing to setup the easy call river bet is the biggest tell to me.

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04-16-2024 , 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy

If the turn is a 4c and we check and villain stabs we jam turn. If you are asking what is the difference between a C-B-B line when a FCT and a FD bricks out the difference will be 2%-3% at least. I don't have exact data for missed FD but FCT is 2% under average and usually missed FD's are over average in most spots.

Actually I found something that is pretty unintuitive in going through this data.

a C30-B30-B line is stronger than both a C30-B50-B line and C30-B70-B line (yeah I know it is C50-B-B but I don't have filtered data for that line).

That is pretty crazy and show's a reverse sizing tell.

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04-16-2024 , 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

a C30-B30-B line is stronger than both a C30-B50-B line and C30-B70-B line.

That is pretty crazy and show's a reverse sizing tell.

I think people find it generally unattractive to bluff smaller sizes because they get called so much more often.

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