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View Poll Results: How many months living expenses do you set aside from bankroll/investments?
3 months
12 4.30%
6 months
45 16.13%
12 months
29 10.39%
More than 12 months
93 33.33%
What's an emergency fund?
50 17.92%
BASTARD
50 17.92%

08-16-2012 , 11:12 AM
lol
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08-16-2012 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lnternet
no offense MMD but you sound like a delusional broke degen tard that breaks even at micro stakes and considers himself a pro
Internet, can you expand on this? I am interested to hear your view because I've always respected you as a poster and never seen you reply like this and of course I see myself in the same situation like MMD.

I live in a cheap country (average salary 250euro, average condo price 50k euros). I play nl100 and 200 as main game with shots on 400/600 only in very good games and I never keep more than 20k in total just because i don't need it. Whenever i have more i invest it somehow (got shares in several companies + few condos). Yes, several times due to critical situations I had to rebuild from 50 and even once from 10(!@#$ FTP) but nevertheless in my professional career of 29 months I have never! had a losing month and every! single month made 5k+ euros. Even if you play only nl50, with a good rb deal 5k is not hard at all when you are used to play higher and put some volume. Everyone will agree 5k euros is way above average in almost any country in the world. How does this make me "delusional broke degen tard"
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08-16-2012 , 04:01 PM
Why do you consider yourself similar to MMD? Am i misunderstanding that he is staked to play 50nl? And you play 100-200nl with shots up to 600nl on your own?

And are you really saying 5k/mo is doable at 50nl? Lol. Yea if you are an absolute crusher and put in a ton of volume. MMD is getting nowhere near that on a stake putting in 35k hands per month. Id be absolutely shocked if he banks over $1.5k/month.
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08-16-2012 , 04:01 PM
Don't focus on the fact that he plays low stakes, (lower than you also), but focus on the rest of his post and the tone in it.
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08-16-2012 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
Why do you consider yourself similar to MMD? Am i misunderstanding that he is staked to play 50nl? And you play 100-200nl with shots up to 600nl on your own?

And are you really saying 5k/mo is doable at 50nl? Lol. Yea if you are an absolute crusher and put in a ton of volume. MMD is getting nowhere near that on a stake putting in 35k hands per month. Id be absolutely shocked if he banks over $1.5k/month.
These assumptions are tremendous.

I'm staked to play up to 2knl not that it's anyone elses business. You can pm peterk9 to confirm if you like or you can actually listen to my buddy gadolparah who posted a few posts back.

Don't know if I'm being trolled/levelled and falling for it or what. If I am then wp.

Starting to realise why I stopped bothering with 2+2 strat forums a long time ago.
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08-16-2012 , 04:23 PM
Ok, so i misunderstood your original post where you referenced you were staked and played 50nl. Sorry didnt realize you are playing 40x the stakes now compared to what you were playing on BF.

Still will never understand why someone plays that high on a stake.
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08-16-2012 , 04:28 PM
cause you can beat it but cant afford to play it?
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08-16-2012 , 04:31 PM
No problem just a misunderstanding then.

I mean I have a 70% split on my stake with no makeup and it means I can play stakes where I should really have a bankroll of $40k+ for as a pro.

As you read I was playing 50nl just over a year ago so it would be impossible for me to get that sort of captial for a bankroll together in such a short space of time while I was working my way up the stakes and paying for life stuff. If I lived in my parents basement it might have been possible

Compared to your boy lnternet and others in this forum I'm relatively new to mid stakes. It's gonna take me some time to build a roll.
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08-16-2012 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gadolparah
cause you can beat it but cant afford to play it?
Well sure but sometimes(most staking arrangements?) the EV is not even as high as playing lower stakes on your own $.

70% stakes seems really high, I don't know much about the staking world but I always thought that closer to a 50/50 split was the going rate for staking. At 50/50 even if you are a 2.5bb/100 winner at 10/20nl you could probably beat 2/4 nl for 7bb/100 and your EV would be higher with lower variance.
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08-16-2012 , 05:33 PM
Doesn't sound like he's rolled for 2/4 either.
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08-16-2012 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
Well sure but sometimes(most staking arrangements?) the EV is not even as high as playing lower stakes on your own $.

70% stakes seems really high, I don't know much about the staking world but I always thought that closer to a 50/50 split was the going rate for staking. At 50/50 even if you are a 2.5bb/100 winner at 10/20nl you could probably beat 2/4 nl for 7bb/100 and your EV would be higher with lower variance.
im american so can only speak for the smaller player pools on lock/merge. But 400nl=2knl on these sites. Its all the same regs, just matters where the fish wants to sit. My WR between the different liimts is very comparable.
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08-16-2012 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gadolparah
im american so can only speak for the smaller player pools on lock/merge. But 400nl=2knl on these sites. Its all the same regs, just matters where the fish wants to sit. My WR between the different liimts is very comparable.
Sure that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by PenelopeCruz
Doesn't sound like he's rolled for 2/4 either.
Yea, I mean there are certainly some circumstances where people who can beat up to 10/20 nl need a stake, but to be on a stake for over a year as a player of that caliber makes 0 sense to me. After a few months on the stake you should be able to scrounge up 10k-15k which is a decent place to start for 2/4. If some big games run and you don't feel you have the bankroll, sell off %'s of yourself, otherwise you are just giving away 30% of your equity.
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08-16-2012 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
Why do you consider yourself similar to MMD? Am i misunderstanding that he is staked to play 50nl? And you play 100-200nl with shots up to 600nl on your own?

And are you really saying 5k/mo is doable at 50nl? Lol. Yea if you are an absolute crusher and put in a ton of volume. MMD is getting nowhere near that on a stake putting in 35k hands per month. Id be absolutely shocked if he banks over $1.5k/month.
What i meant is that several times i dropped to the same stakes MMD referred, but I don't consider myself idiot...

I've played with u in FTP and consider u as more capable player. If you try playing 50 u will be surprized how baaaad is everyone and 100bi including RB is not a problem.


About the stake thing, I know few nl100 / 200 players from my country who play on a stake for 2+ years. They say its just that they prefer to feel safe... cant rly explain that, guess sometimes people prefer to be sheep and not be bothered...
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08-17-2012 , 01:02 AM
Ive played a little bit of 50nl on Lock poker since BF and it was definitely a little tougher than I predicted. Lots of regs and shorties.

Maybe you can make 100bi there including rakeback, but I can't for the life of me figure out why someone who is good enough to do that would stay at 50nl for the whole month.
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08-17-2012 , 01:31 AM
50/50 is pretty far from standard in today's market for someone with good results, good refs, good volume etc. Its also can be hard for someone to grind up a proper roll for 2k+ given how much those games run/how hard it is to get seats.

Even if someone is properly rolled, there's some huge upsides to working with a backer on the current US facing networks for all stakes. Things like, help with cash outs, peace of mind that you don't lose much if the network goes down, ability to play stakes that would require you to have a huge amount of exposure etc.

Many reasons for non-us also, but they vary a lot more person to person.
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08-17-2012 , 08:32 AM
had about 1 year expenses set aside, today broke :/
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08-17-2012 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by iLLuS10n-
but nevertheless in my professional career of 29 months I have never! had a losing month
I went 3 years without having a losing month then had 3 out of 4 losers and several more since. It will happen
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08-20-2012 , 09:44 AM
Got about 30 year expenses set aside atm. Will retire when I reach ~50.
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08-22-2012 , 08:13 PM
However much you can't deal with losing. Probably 2 years as a minimum.
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08-26-2012 , 09:41 PM
set aside for many years lets you play much better poker imo.
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08-30-2012 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by lnternet
no offense MMD but you sound like a delusional broke degen tard that breaks even at micro stakes and considers himself a pro
Following on from this "no offense meant" comment lnternet has decided to randomly follow me around the forum needling me because I don't have as much money as him as you can see here in a thread I made in the laughs and links section: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/76...rrier-1239902/

His post (which as you can see is just a random needle out of no where):

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Originally Posted by lnternet
you play low stakes staked, how much more does it take to be a broke degen.
Ok Paul we get it mate. You have a bunch of money. You think everyone else should. But hey that's okay because for the same reason I'm not jealous of someone similar like I dunno Steve Hawking:




I wake up in the morning and instead of counting my money I look in the mirror and say, "thank **** I don't look like you".

Edit: You do realise 'quiffs' style hair went out of fashion the same time as some ugly ****er conceived you right?
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08-30-2012 , 05:10 AM
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08-30-2012 , 05:18 AM
lol
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08-30-2012 , 05:51 AM
haha
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08-30-2012 , 07:18 AM
ouch
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