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Originally Posted by Akromah
Grunch.
I don't think the number of mistakes really matters. It's more about the severity of the mistakes and what is causing you to make mistakes. I don't even think that mistakes is the right word.. Blunders is probably way better.
If you recognize you're not playing as well as you can be to the point where you assess that you are not profitable in your pool, then you sit out.
I make blunders but if the tables are still great, I'm not going anywhere. Had a session like this today where I got owned like 3 hands in a row by a 94/60 fish but still hung around because I knew there was money to be made.
Blunders is such a good word to describe my intended post. The pool I play in is different. It's not often I get to see a whale at the tables lol.
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
I am just learning at my current stakes and don't care too much about the money. So I will continue even if I know I am playing my D game. Last week, I played during a bad thunderstorm knowing that my power and internet would probably get knocked out more than once. I got one power outage and 3 internet disconnects in 4 hours lol. 3 of them were minor, but on the last internet disconnect I had the pleasure of seeing my pocket aces disappear in the BB against an UTG open and a CO 3bet. CO had AKs, so he wasn't going anywhere lol. I also kept playing recently when I was so tired that I timed out in the SB with AKo because I couldn't calculate 2.5x of $4.75 and was too braindead to just click raise with the goofy amount I had entered instead. These are examples of times when one should not keep playing if the money is at all meaningful.
I am blessed in that I only extremely rarely suffer major tilt issues. I am almost always somewhere between my C game and my A game. When playing seriously, I would happily keep playing my C game if the games are soft. Otherwise, I would take a break once my C game comes along. I think it was Sklansky who onces said that we should continue playing with position on a 90 VPIP whale even if we have to pry our eyelids open with toothpicks to stay awake. I pretty much agree, but in reality I still stop when I am feeling totally miserable even if the game is amazing.
Those of you who have never used solvers... I think you are really missing out even if you have no interest in playing a GTO style. One awesome thing about solvers is that they can quantify our mistakes. I often find that what I thought were huge mistakes were actually pretty minor. And sometimes mistakes that I think are minor are actually outright theoretical punts.
I don't play when I am tired, I do try to make sure though that I am not tilting and compounding "blunders" by making more blunders. They have a tendency to lead me down the path I am currently on where I haven't won a session in about 4 days.
I will consider looking into some solver software.
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
yeah we all make mistakes all the time, poker is hard. Watched this review from GuerillaPoker recently where he reviewed some high stakes hand histories, and he talks about even the high stakes sickos on pokerstars make mistakes all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wmMJJjm9ZQ&t=310s
In The Mental Game of Poker, he talks about how mistakes are inevitable, and our play is mostly going to be a bell curve, where we sometimes play our F game, and sometimes play our A game, but mostly play our B-C game. Our goal shouldn't be to play our A game all the time and get upset when we're not a total machine, but to shift the bell curve to the right, so that our C/D/F games are better (and by extension, our A game is better too).
Will watch the vid. I've read Tendler's work, phenomenal book, it's been a couple of years since reading it.
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
The best way to increase your winrate is probably to spend less time grinding out volume at micros, and more time learning. 4k hands a day is a lot, and you start to hit diminishing returns from a learning perspective relatively quickly IMO. Goal at micros should be to learn and get out of the rake trap ASAP, not prove beyond a doubt you're a winner with a 500k hand sample or whatever
Everyone has different goals, of course. I don't want to move up before I am adequately rolled for it though. The tendency to have 10-15 buy-in swings in a relatively short span can be brutal (or magical) at any limit.
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
One other thing is that if you’re playing a lot, playing your A game all the time is really mentally draining. It might be higher EV to play your B game for 3 hours, rather than your A game for 1 hour and get mentally tired, and either quit playing or play your C game for 2 hours
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
It depends if it's a Frequency mistake or Fundamental mistake.
I allow myself a lot more Frequency mistakes during a session. But if I start making a bunch of Fundamental Mistakes and getting stacked - I'll call it early and review the hands.
There's also spots where you just don't know what to do. I write those down during the session and then review them later.
You guys should check out Finding Equilibrium's new video of Jarretman playing a 2kNL session. It is very impressive and show's just how good some people are at this game.
Fundamental mistakes are what frustrate me more than frequency mistakes. (i.e. torching buy-ins by calling too much).
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Originally Posted by browni3141
I'm probably making hundreds of mistakes a session. Getting stuff like sizing correct is hard.
Poker is hard when you don't know what the other has.
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
How do you distinguish between a "mistake" and a "soundly reasoned decision that happened to cost you a buyin or more"?
Blunders is the term I am liking ITT. If I look at a hand where I took an aggressive line with a logical hand choice given the runout, I am totally fine with that.
It drives me nuts to no end when I make obvious passive river calling mistakes (even when the opponents line doesn't make sense given the runout). I have to say out loud "just fold, they have it even though they shouldn't".
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Ignore this at your peril.
I might need to buy a lab coat.