Hey all. So the main purpose of this thread is to figure out if there is any real justification for hero calling in the micros these days. I don't mean making a standard call with AK/AQ high on the river, but stuff like queen high or jack high in weird spots.

This hand came up the other day and it got me thinking.




So was this ****** whale-like spew? I was getting 2:1 on my call and the only hands I could think of that bet here but don't raise the turn are bluffs, and most strong draws villain has probably raise the turn so its less likely I'm running into better air.

I'm not trying to justify my call. I honestly think I played the hand strangely at best, but I would just like some input on whether or not stuff like this is even necessary at this level and what situations hero calling can be profitable.

Fold the flop, don't bet the turn, fold the river always.

Well lets face facts, you posted here because you want us all to Basque in your magnificent reading ability and applaud your wonderfull call.

I guarantee no one will tell you, you played a single street well.....even pre-flop is questionable.

This is so dumb, even if villan is bluffing here you beat like 67 and that is all.....

This must be what threads were like in 2002......if your so convinced villan is bluffing the you can bluff raise the river, but your line on the previous streets is so ******ed id probably call you with any pair anyway.

[ ] good call
[ ] hero call
[x] ******ed call
[ ] good threat

Raise or fold pre, you are not going to realize your implied odds OOP vs 2 opponents (also, the BB may raise). The play you made on the flop loos like a reverse float... but it is not, because, the pot is limped and it is 3way, so the flop call is terrible (you could have bluff raised flop... maybe...).

This is not what I'm trying to do. I have a serious problem with hero calling/calling very light on the river and I don't know how to stop being results oriented because I keep catching that one combo I can beat and when I run this good on hero calls its very hard to convince myself to not do it.

I didn't play a single street well! I know that. I keep finding myself in these situations where I level myself into thinking villain must have that busted draw and I can win and I don't know how to break from that thinking without people straight up telling me I'm being ******ed. But what I really need is to know WHY I'm being ******ed and make it clear that I lose to a lot more of villains range than I like to admit.

Anyway I think I just answered my own question

This is awesome! They say poker will die? How can a game in which you can make 4 mistakes in a row, win a substantial pot AND regard yourself a hero/expert die???

I know how you feel. It is very hard to stop being results oriented and also to stop making fancy plays. Knowing the right play is only 10% of success in poker, the other 90% is actually making the right play every time. By the right play I mean making what you honestly think is the right play (since you can not know better then you know).

Assuming that your ahead of villains bluffing range is your problem.

I win this thread

sorry i assumed ppl just gonna post ******ed hero calls they've made

^dont try to mess with this guy about herocalls. youre gonna lose

why did you check/call the flop?

the river call is bad obviously but just check/fold the flop you can't be making these kind of flop peels out of position in multiway pots

Problem with that call is that you don't even beat significant amount of BLUFFS he has. 34, 76, 64 and that's about it. Unless you think opponent is capable of both limping and bluffing like that with 74 73.

Now while hero calls can be profitable(I once played vs villain who had such a huge betting tell he could just as well have played cards up) most of the time not good idea. Micro villains are passive calling stations rather than crazy bluffers. If they were as a rule of thumb aggressive bluffers micro's would be lot harder to beat!

OP: try not to base your strategy on your "experience". By that I mean, sometimes you will win the pot by some -EV play, and sometimes you make a good call, and still lose. Really, what if you lost this hand? What if the next hand you called river with K-high flush and lost to A-high flush? You would have likely tightened up (not necessarily a bad thing of course). You see how just a run of cards can change one's view of the game? Do not let it affect your play. Try to play like a bot (I am sure you see what I mean by that).

Hi, I want to ask if there is a justification for calling shoves with 82o pre in the micros these days. Of course, I don't mean asking about calling shoves with 92o or T2o pre (as this is pretty standard) and by micros I mean 4NL (as it's quite clear at 10NL and higher everybody calls shoves with 82o pre.

I have a very serious problem and it is that I have innate soulreading abilities and every time I call shoves with 82o pre, villain has 72o pre, I win and go out to buy a hamburger. But I still want to ask you if you guys who don't have innate soulreading abilities know how to make hero calls.

'Hero' calls are just another word for 'losing stupid' calls if you're not a professional.

If you think he's bluffing here then raising > calling.

Calling is just stupid.

coo story brah, tell us more..

ok, wow

You seriously don't catch the sarcasm?

STICKY

I called a guy with a 9 high in a live game once.

34
67
too bad fish bluff with A high here too a lot :P

More interesting is who made the thinnest value bet (not talking about the standard bottom pair, A-high and K-high shove on a 4 to flush river after turn check/raise in 3bet pot and other standard spots).