BTN: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $10.45 (104.5 bb)
MP: $8.80 (88 bb)
CO: $9.85 (98.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, BB folds, BTN calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 5 6 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BTN calls $1

Turn: ($3.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.70, BTN calls $1.70

River: ($6.90) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.65 and is all-in, Hero ?


Ok, thought I would make a thread about this since it is happening like tons and tons of times every session and it simply never used to happen at nl5. Basically when I am the preflop raiser or 3 bettor, and I make flop and turn cbets, villain suddenly wakes up on pretty much every river. They shove if I bet, they also shove if I check. This happens weather I am IP or OOP. And I noticed its happening a lot, way to often for villain to actually have a strong hand every time.

Ive took a long break from poker so maybe things have changed a little bit. One thing I can think of is that villains are turning made hands into bluffs more than they ever have. When I am the preflop aggressor and I cbet flop + turn, then bet half pot on river or check the river do most people see this as weak? Its happening that often that I going to have to simply start calling more and more even though I would have always usually folded in spots like the hand above.

At nl5 you would see a river call or check back with strong top pair hands, maybe even overs or 2pair+. Seemed as though everything else folded to a bet. nl10 suddenly people are going crazy on the river - this must be bluffs the vast majority of the time right? I will try to post more examples of villain taking this line.

Im not sure its fair to say it happens "all the time", without having some stat to back that up. Poker players have short memories, and sometimes very selective ones.

In this example, there is a straight draw on board and the board is paired. I probably would not have checked the river, but its an easy fold. Problem is, if you bet the river and get raised, its a fold anyway.

x flop

bigger ott as played

river is a good card for you so you should bet as played

Why do you want to check flop?

but the straight draw didn't get there so surely the 6 is a good card for me? yes it makes trips possible but the way I see it when the board pairs it makes sets less likely.

I understand the selective memory thing. Still, this has been happening way more often lately, so often that its just not really possible for them to have hands every time. I know its not exactly easy to make 2pair+.

I have actually seen a lot more bluffing at nl10, people putting half their stack in sometimes even more only to fold to a raise. My theory is that these river shoves a lot of the time are villain realizing his hand is no good, but hoping I can still fold. In this case he did actually have A7.

+1 a flop check would be pretty terrible here.

Knowing what he had is interesting. If he had A7, then certainly A6 is in his range too. Meaning, you could have been up against trips. So, while in this case, you won the hand, I think that you took on alot of un-needed risk for this level.

I still say that the river is a good fold. Most times here you are beat. Just my opinion however.

You could argue for checking if you didn't have clubs. I am checking this 0% of the time

Bet the flop, bet the turn, jam the river yourself.

bigger pre .. bet bet jam .... or bet big F -pot turn ..some times x/call river vs some players

x or bet is both fine for different reasons and its going to be a hand where having a mixed frequency is likely optimal.

By checking you allow your opponent to have bluffs and can easily x/c here with your equity. With this particular hand when we bet we aren't really getting value from worse or getting better to fold, which points to the direction of checking be better. On the other hand we have a lot of value hands too, so betting to balance that and also because villain will have a lot of hands that can call one/two barrels but not three makes betting okay too.

Saying checking is awful though is clearly wrong imo.

What is your checking range here?

I think at river if you have a hand you dont want to c/f but to c/C and you think there are worser hands that call, it might be better to bet yourself even your behind if called, just because he cb worser hand he would called sometimes.
At this spot if vilian valuebet and rarely bluffs (but do it) it might better to just let him fold.
This concept can be more true if you think of a very thin rest like 1/3 of pot and you never fold if you check and you think he checks back lots of hands but call all them, so you dont need to have more then +50% against his callingrange and this is why i start to keep more initiative, just because c/guescalling in close spots isnt fun at all, always better to have FE + Equity to hit.

Both options look ok on the flop.
Betting river is ok and prob better than other options vs unknown

I am checking 100% of my range here unless my opponent is super short bus.

I bet flop as a default but checking vs given opponents is not horrible. If we have reads that he will attack weakness and/or bluff a flush, x/calling down is not a bad idea. It also depends how hero proceeds with premiums here, also what hands he 3bets pre.

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checking flop def can be good.

As played I don't know why you aren't betting?

If he jams River won't worse hands fold and better hands call? Would weaker Aces and high PP call a River shove? Would it be better to bet half pot?

A couple of thoughts OP, that "They shove if I bet" makes me sense that there are spots where u mess ur sizing. When 100bb deep u should set up a shove for the river. This obv does not apply to all spots but only to those where u will decide to start barreling. There will be situations where giving up otf, or even firing 1-2 barrels and giving up later can be the right play. In most situations it's villain dependent and u will have to have a plan before u proceed.

In addition, there is a fair chance that ur leaks are attacked and opponents float u with a wide range cos they know u will give up by the river.I have no 10nl experience but games have gotten tougher over the past yrs and most plrs play exploitative poker

okay I strongly believe villain shoved with busted draw and here's why
1. Villain called 3bet pre from button, so his calling range shouldn't have any AKs
2. if villain happens to hit anything better than a pair (two pairs, a set , straight, etc) OTF, he might want to reraise and try to get it in given the wet board texture
3. villain is getting the right odds to continue with his drawing hands

SO, I would snap called the river shove XD