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Old 07-21-2008, 04:30 AM   #26
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Re: Graduating Micro - A Thank You and Some Thoughts on Turn Strategy

Maybe he was going for the limp-reraise!!!
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Old 07-21-2008, 04:52 AM   #27
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Dear Gugel,

Please teach me to run hot like the sun.

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Old 07-21-2008, 07:34 AM   #28
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Re: Graduating Micro - A Thank You and Some Thoughts on Turn Strategy

i bet this turn for value all day long...but i'm an aggrotard

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Old 07-21-2008, 10:08 AM   #29
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Re: Graduating Micro - A Thank You and Some Thoughts on Turn Strategy

Nice job running up the money but to say you are graduating Micro with your sample and winrate is a little over zealous don't you think?

And BTW the turn is an obvious bet for value.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:34 PM   #30
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Re: Graduating Micro - A Thank You and Some Thoughts on Turn Strategy

guel,
what would you do on this particular turn with KQ? how about AK? can you see why your ranges might be unbalanced? (not that balance matters to anything below 400nl and even then its meh but its still nice to think about).

i know in this spot i would barrel that Ace a very high % of the time and therefore would bet stuff like JJ/etc (and probably 3-barrel as well). so therefore would bet this turn. but its obviously opponent and board dependent. nice post nonetheless.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:01 PM   #31
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Re: Graduating Micro - A Thank You and Some Thoughts on Turn Strategy

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And BTW the turn is an obvious bet for value.
Why so obvious? Seems like a lot of worse hands fold to that A and you don't give them a chance to bluff the river. Also seems like a lot of straight draws etc fold to a turn bet because of the dry nature of the board lowering their implied odds or otherwise could set up for a big bluff on the river (or a turn c/Raise) after you bet the turn.

I mean, I can see you saying it's probably better...but why not show a range or something if you think it's *obviously* better to bet?
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:41 PM   #32
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Very read dependent if I fold or call. The ace is a huge scare card...
He most likely could not have an ace there unless he was floating with Ax on the flop which is not probable given that board. If he had an Ace it would be something like A6, A7, A8 (giving him 2 pair), which he would definitely not check turn given the board. If he had A9, probably would have semi-bluffed the flop with straight draw and an over. Check turn, Call river was perfect.
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:02 PM   #33
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Re: Graduating Micro - A Thank You and Some Thoughts on Turn Strategy

i also kinda disagree with solely going for pot control on the turn. i think a lot of thin value is missed by only betting/raising your strong hands and only calling/checking your marginal hands.

also like orange said, you have to think about what you do on the turn with other parts of your range too. granted a lot of the time i dont cbet a 678 board with a hand like KQ but the A on the turn is an excellent double barrel card that i will often fire if i do have air. thus i will also fire with hands i want thin value from like JJ.

its possible that a lot of the time you arent betting the turn because you afraid of getting raised and pushed off your top pair or JJ with an overcard. if you get raised on the turn at this level then 90% of the time you are beat with hands like that but not betting is missing value from the plethora of stations that tend to overplay their draws and TPWK type hands.

i think that more people need to b/f in more of the situations they normally c/c but obviously this is villain dependent though. you need to be able to recognize if villain is capable of bluffing or valuebetting too thin when shown weakness and if villain is likely to overplay his draws or call down really light. these are things i actively look for in my opponents and take notes on.
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Old 07-22-2008, 02:45 PM   #34
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sounds good, but some of the most misapplied **** evar, imo
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