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04-11-2023 , 05:14 PM
Villain stacked me just before where he 4bet super small from UTG against my 3bet from BB and wins KK > QQ

I found preflop super annoying, again the 4bet is small even though we are 130 BB deep. Of course I'd like to get it in now but if I go all-in it's a massive overbet and I fear I isolate against AA only. And a non-allin 5bet, at microstakes... again I fear I'm telegraphing the strength of my hand. So I called and flopped top set lol.

--> What would you do preflop ?

Flop is a must raise I guess? What size would you use?

Thanks!

€0.25 NL FAST (6 max)

Hero (BTN): 130.8 BB
SB: 53.52 BB
BB: 176.08 BB
UTG: 133.68 BB
MP: 156.28 BB
CO: 92.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, MP raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7.48 BB, fold, fold, MP raises to 19.2 BB, Hero calls 11.72 BB

Flop: (39.8 BB, 2 players) K T Q
MP bets 9.44 BB, Hero ?
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04-11-2023 , 05:31 PM
Pre: I like the flat.

Flop: I would just rip it in his face. He should never have a flush unless 4!'ing light with AsXs. And if he does have the flush, we have outs. I expect we will get called by all pair + As, JxJs and lower sets. Maybe even KQss. If he's got air we don't stand to get much from that range by "slowplaying." The board could get significantly worse for us and he might even bluff us off.
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04-11-2023 , 05:34 PM
Would you make non allin 5b bluff?

I would 5b pre. You can click it back or jam, both options seem fine.

Flop both options seem fine. i guess call maybe bit better.
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04-11-2023 , 07:01 PM
I am inclined to agree we should raise on this flop, though I typically don't have a raising range in 4bet pots (though I am unstudied in them tbf). But there are a ton of bad turns and a bit deeper we want the money to get in.

I agree 5bet pre tho


I am going to check GTO Wizard. Unfortunately they don't have 125bb sims yet so I'll look for 150bb and 100bb.

Interestingly no raises with KK at either depth. Though it is raising QQ and JJ more at 100bb than 150bb. Not sure why that is.

150bb:






100bb:



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04-12-2023 , 05:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS

Interestingly no raises with KK at either depth. Though it is raising QQ and JJ more at 100bb than 150bb. Not sure why that is.
Cuz KK blocks the value that you want to stack asap while QQ/JJ doesn’t my breh.

Always be thinking of block/unblock effects and that often gives you the answer, especially in these tight range 4b spots.

Edit: just realized the last part you wrote about 100bb vs 150bb. I got 6am brain working over here. My bad.
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04-12-2023 , 08:46 AM
'Never slowplay KK pre' - doug polk vid i watched the other day
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04-12-2023 , 07:00 PM
Thanks everyone for the input.

Results :

€0.25 NL FAST (6 max)

Hero (BTN): 130.8 BB
SB: 53.52 BB
BB: 176.08 BB
UTG: 133.68 BB
MP: 156.28 BB
CO: 92.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, MP raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7.48 BB, fold, fold, MP raises to 19.2 BB, Hero calls 11.72 BB

Flop: (39.8 BB, 2 players) K T Q
MP bets 9.44 BB, Hero calls 9.44 BB

Turn: (58.68 BB, 2 players) 3
MP bets 13.96 BB, Hero raises to 102 BB, MP raises to 127.64 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 0.16 BB and is all-in

River: (263 BB, 2 players) Q

MP shows A Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)
Hero shows K K (Full House, Kings full of Queens)
Hero wins 251.6 BB
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