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11-23-2021 , 05:29 PM

JohnRusty

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NL Holdem 1(BB)
BB ($106.50)
UTG ($100)
HJ ($127.06)
HERO ($100)
BTN ($134.97)
SB ($100)

Dealt to Hero: 5

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $2.50, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $1.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [17.73 effective]
Flop ($5.50): J

BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.73 (Rem. Stack: $95.77), BB Calls $1.73 (Rem. Stack: $102.27)

Turn ($8.96): J

BB Checks, HERO Bets $8.52 (Rem. Stack: $87.25)

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11-23-2021 , 05:35 PM

DooDooPoker

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Seems like a random combo to do this with.

High frequency donk lead spot for BB as well. These paired boards where the unpaired card pairs the turn are donked a ton.

Go nodelock BB to no donking and this is a super high frequency X spot

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11-23-2021 , 05:54 PM

JohnRusty

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yeah the combo is obviously awful, but I was thinking they just fold everything that isn't a K/J and so it prints, but maybe the lack of flush draws means there's not much there that isn't a K/J

Also think this sizing is probably button clicking, and I can do the same thing with like 2/3 sizing

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11-23-2021 , 06:23 PM

YanasaurBBQ

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I dont like to bluff 2pair boards. You get stubborn fish or bad regs calling you down w any A. I cbet flop for same size and then give up.

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11-23-2021 , 11:16 PM

BobbyPeru

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Sizing is too big even if you did have a K that would be a terrible size to use. I'd 1/3 or check and bomb river if checked to otr.

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11-23-2021 , 11:27 PM

aner0

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i like a smaller sizing to fold out guthsots/some Ax/underpairs.
His folds have very low equity so it doesn't really make sense to bet big since Jx is never folding

Also with a K you would try and keep enough worse hands in villains range to not chop too often

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11-24-2021 , 11:06 AM

Haizemberg93

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I dont think this is great spot for bluffing. He pretty much calls you with all Jx and Kx and some AT/AQ or PP you already 0EV with bluffs.
Combo is fine we block some K6s and K5s

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11-24-2021 , 12:25 PM

submersible

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

this is the answer. co range checking here ott if bb can't lead - you're not cbetting that many kx comparitively here whereas bb is never folding and very rarely raising them.
in my sim bb has a full house 39% of the time and ace high 23% so you'd need him to fold a ton of the ace highs for this to make sense

Last edited by submersible; 11-24-2021 at 12:30 PM.

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11-26-2021 , 12:09 AM

JohnRusty

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UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $2.50, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $1.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [17.73 effective]
Flop ($5.50): J

BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.73 (Rem. Stack: $95.77), BB Calls $1.73 (Rem. Stack: $102.27)

Turn ($8.96): J

BB Checks, HERO Bets $8.52 (Rem. Stack: $87.25), BB Folds

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11-27-2021 , 12:20 PM

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Redsixerfan

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Very fishy sizing.

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11-27-2021 , 02:00 PM

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zalezalez

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Originally Posted by Redsixerfan

Very fishy sizing.

agree sizing is all wrong from the start.

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11-27-2021 , 08:10 PM

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nosun

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this is fine minus sizing, we`re actually incentivized to use combos further down in range as bluffs as hands like Qx gutter/OESD have showdown value on turn.

could still use this combo as large bet, effectively betting pot is not neccessary. the hands that we are targeting will probably not respond terribly differently to a smaller size.

hands we are trying to fold to a turn barrel are counterfeited underpairs that still beat or will chop with our 6 high lol, floated Q high backdoor flush and gutter combos.

in general our bluffs are going to be pulled from counterfeited underpairs I think, but good job bluffing OP

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11-27-2021 , 08:35 PM

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nosun

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curveball, I just ran this, and OP nails both sizing and combo (used different board suits but made turn full rainbow, and combo high frequency barreled shares suit with jack

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