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02-04-2012 , 01:42 AM

#26

Schwan

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Originally Posted by metski

if we call whats our plan on like Q26, 224r J92 being oop we basically have to call cbet and hope he checks back turn

folding isnt terrible pre is it? we dont know the sample size of hands

im not saying im right just curious why you think calling so good

OOPS EDIT i didnt see sizing pre... i hate 4b now ewwww

but if he made standard sized 3b do you change

he has JJ 0% of time

Can you please explain your reasoning to why he can't have JJ here?

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02-04-2012 , 01:44 AM

#27

SA16

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Highly unlikely he chooses to 3bet JJ here vs you 200bb deep. Same for 77. He can't have AA. AJ sure I don't know how often he 3bets. Flushes? I mean it's tough given he can't have Axss or Kxss and the Jx blocks a lot of SC do does he 3bet T9s?98s? Q4s?

If he even has AJ does he try and get tricky with the FD out? for the most part people get too scared and decide to "protect" their hand. Seems like a lol line if he has AK/AQ/Axs but who knows.

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02-04-2012 , 02:18 AM

#28

Schwan

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starting to think this was a bad fold

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02-05-2012 , 06:34 PM

#29

meatpossums

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Originally Posted by Schwan

Can you please explain your reasoning to why he can't have JJ here?

My thought that he doesn't have JJ is that he would not have checked flop. Board is too draw heavy and that deep, he could end up stacking off with a set because he didn't bet flop and flush came in. It is possible that he has JJ but I would consider it about equal to him bluffing in percentage terms.

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02-05-2012 , 06:46 PM

#30

tobe4funas

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02-05-2012 , 07:21 PM

#31

K3ym4k3r

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It's a pretty bad fold tbh. Even if he has a flush your redraw equity at 38%

I don't see why everyone seems to think he either always or never has JJ here. Sure JJ is a part of his range, as is A10+ he can have plenty of JTs and T9s here too.

Call and re-eval river. Ofc it's gonna be a tough spot OTR OOP but folding the top of your range to a small turn raise when you are this deep is just lolbad.

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02-05-2012 , 07:32 PM

#32

Schwan

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I can see now it was a poor fold, this was my first day of 50nl and I was scared as I was 200bb deep and didn't trust myself to fold the river

If I played this hand today (after 7k hands of 50nl I would have played it differently)

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02-06-2012 , 05:47 AM

#33

MiCro

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Grunch: To me, this reeks iffyness - I can't see this being JJ, unless you're opening super wide and/or never fold to a 3bet. What comes after I think can only be judged on those two factors - If you haven't been folding to 3bets (and if its only over 60, you may have given off ****** stats through a hot run of cards) then I think its a good fold. Otherwise, it seems like villain may have got you to fold a splitting/better hand.

In other words, if you've looked bad, this is good; if you've looked good, this is bad.

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02-06-2012 , 08:52 AM

#34

tobe4funas

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what's your sn? i'll try to sit next to you since i'll be here for a whole week

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02-06-2012 , 09:00 AM

#35

Schwan

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Originally Posted by tobe4funas

what's your sn? i'll try to sit next to you since i'll be here for a whole week

Haha despite this badly played hand i'm doing well so far at 50nl

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02-06-2012 , 09:26 AM

#36

tobe4funas

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Originally Posted by Schwan

Haha despite this badly played hand i'm doing well so far at 50nl

you havent answered my question :| ill be playin in like 6hrs, please respond before i start

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02-06-2012 , 09:36 AM

#37

Schwan

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Originally Posted by tobe4funas

you havent answered my question :| ill be playin in like 6hrs, please respond before i start

Why do you want to sit next to me?

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02-06-2012 , 09:37 AM

#38

Schwan

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tell me yours first

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02-06-2012 , 09:48 AM

#39

Paul D

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I am suspecting that was a bluff more than anything else. Probably with a smaller pair. Perhaps he has AJ or JJ. But I doubt it. Though he may have had 77. I am probably going to put my money in. But I am not folding to AQ or KK. With Trips and top kicker I am just not going to lay down unless it is the tightest damn rock who would only bet with the nuts.

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02-06-2012 , 10:38 AM

#40

MartL

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I wish people would bluff me. No matter how much i listen to the advices on here and talk myself in to stacking off because he can have draws and bluffs and what not, im still yet to see it.