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10-14-2019 , 08:51 PM

Bolognie1

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Ignition - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 113 BB
Hero (BB): 112.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T

SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, SB bets 4.3 BB, Hero calls 4.3 BB

Turn: (14.6 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, SB bets 10.4 BB, Hero raises to 36.4 BB, SB raises to 105.7 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 83.1 BB

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10-14-2019 , 08:53 PM

.isolated

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Yes, it is. You should fold the bottom of your range.

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10-14-2019 , 11:23 PM

Bolognie1

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Yes, it is. You should fold the bottom of your range.

What percentage should I be floating with though? It's heads up, so idk I figured it's an okay float, but idk. I assume T6o is an okay call pre, but then I'm not really too sure what to do with it on the flop...

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10-15-2019 , 03:03 AM

civothgiarts

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He needs 41,7% of the time to be succesful for cbet to be profitable immediately. So you need to defend at least 58,4% of you preflop flatting range. Also, I wouldn't mind a fold with this hand pre if you aren't that good postflop

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10-15-2019 , 03:12 AM

Bolognie1

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Originally Posted by civothgiarts

So here is a good application of MDF? What about range advantage?

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10-15-2019 , 03:46 AM

2019fish2019

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Yeah dont meet MDF here.. V has a pretty big advantage

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10-15-2019 , 05:58 AM

amazin lazer

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flop OOP on A high board defending in the blind solvers aren't even playing MDF, we're not on the river with a bluffcatcher.

floating this hand OOP is just fancy play syndrome, we have our entire defending range to pick floats from, this is just impatience.

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10-15-2019 , 06:05 AM

Bolognie1

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Originally Posted by amazin lazer

Okay, so here's the thing. If you aren't to meet MDF, what should you call with? Further on from this, if you're only calling with really fkn strong hands, what exactly is V meant to be betting for value? This one concept is what underpins almost all my misconceptions atm.

Also btw, this hand was complete trash, knew it as I played. Wasn't in the mindset and confused af about one too many concepts at the time. Wanted to understand this line if nothing else and what I should be considering here instead of just stacking off with mid pair.

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10-15-2019 , 06:29 AM

2019fish2019

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Considering the betsize and stake tendencies you wont get exploited if you only continue with any pair or str8draw. Add in some gutshots, one spade and bdfd hands as raises.

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10-15-2019 , 06:30 AM

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amazin lazer

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Flush draws, gutshots, open enders, club draws with backdoor straight draws blocking Ax to name a few. Vs this sizing, we can be a bit more selective, as well.

Floating garbage on A high boards OOP with the intention of outright stealing on future streets is p ambitious, as well. It would probably be more profitable to 3bet this hand and range cbet flop, though I wouldn't do that, either.

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10-15-2019 , 08:53 AM

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Iblis

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What the hell is this "let's start to apply MDF in something else but particular river spot" resurgence?

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10-15-2019 , 02:41 PM

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StewieStag

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Originally Posted by Iblis

What the hell is this "let's start to apply MDF in something else but particular river spot" resurgence?

I LOVE IT!!! More money to be made playing poker again

I think it comes from people using solvers more and using them wrongly and going oh villain is betting this size so I HAVE to defend the MDF to be profitable.

Keep doing it people pleaseeee

Sorry that makes me sound like a Jackass :'D

MDF even OTR is dumb also FWIW :'D :'D

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10-15-2019 , 07:45 PM

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WorldzMine

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^^ One thing I'm sure of is this has nothing to do with people using solvers, correctly or incorrectly.

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10-15-2019 , 10:25 PM

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Bolognie1

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Originally Posted by 2019fish2019

Considering the betsize and stake tendencies you wont get exploited if you only continue with any pair or str8draw. Add in some gutshots, one spade and bdfd hands as raises.

How do you figure this though?

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10-15-2019 , 11:11 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by Bolognie1

What percentage should I be floating with though?

Who knows? You should fold more oop. You should fold even more when you have a significant range disadvantage. You should especially fold when your hand has such little potential in the way of bd draws. Even T6s w/bdfd's much better to float with.

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